Hi, I'm working for a public sector in IT department. The issue is our director leaves almost around 6 or 7 pm and comes around 2pm. Being a government office in Pakistan, we already have a letter issued to come around 9:30AM but there was no leave time mentioned.
Now the issue is that since our director comes late and sits late, we are forced to sit until he is in office. To compensate that we started coming around 10 or 10:30 AM. Now the issue is that all the employees received a show-cause letter of coming late half-hour, which suffered office work so we should explain why our one day salary shouldn't be deducted. This was rather humiliating to us so we thought of replying to the management in hard way. Anybody could help us format a reply ? or give any input or feedback.
Thanks
PS: I just joined this forum and this is my first post.
From Pakistan, Karachi
Now the issue is that since our director comes late and sits late, we are forced to sit until he is in office. To compensate that we started coming around 10 or 10:30 AM. Now the issue is that all the employees received a show-cause letter of coming late half-hour, which suffered office work so we should explain why our one day salary shouldn't be deducted. This was rather humiliating to us so we thought of replying to the management in hard way. Anybody could help us format a reply ? or give any input or feedback.
Thanks
PS: I just joined this forum and this is my first post.
From Pakistan, Karachi
Hi,
You did not write your designation but it sounds that you are too junior to your director. If I am right then trust me you could not do anything with your director in a harsh way because as you told you belonged from government sector and in government sector if someone does this type of behavior then it means he has some BACK and no body can do nothing with it. Also it is common culture in govt sector.
All you can do on this issue is, talk to your director and management, tell them complete situation and ask THEM for solution.
From Pakistan, Karachi
65You did not write your designation but it sounds that you are too junior to your director. If I am right then trust me you could not do anything with your director in a harsh way because as you told you belonged from government sector and in government sector if someone does this type of behavior then it means he has some BACK and no body can do nothing with it. Also it is common culture in govt sector.
All you can do on this issue is, talk to your director and management, tell them complete situation and ask THEM for solution.
From Pakistan, Karachi
Well I'm Assistant Manager MIS, Its just not me, but every assistant has to wait for him, and its a joint explanation letter. We have decided to reply to explanation letter stating that we have to sit late so we come late. Just need a draft type of things where I can easilly comunicate with my boss stating how things are going on, Either they should fix the Incoming'/outgoing time or give relaxation to there employees to come late. On the other hand I dont know on what ground they will deduct salary.
Regards
From Pakistan, Karachi
Regards
From Pakistan, Karachi
Assalam-O-Allukum, Fthaheem, You have come up with good idea and you may proceed it but before taking any step, Judge all the pros and cons of your steps, Best Of Luck Regards,
From Pakistan, Karachi
From Pakistan, Karachi
We can not challenge the privileges of a director. There is no harm in sitting late for 1-1.30 hour. Coming late for late sitting is a self styled solution and is not justified. You can convince your director if you have some problem in your late going. You can also convince him for late comings. But without his consent it is not justified.
There are other ways. you can request him if he can give you gate passes for your personal work in lieu of your extra time spent.
From India, Kharar
There are other ways. you can request him if he can give you gate passes for your personal work in lieu of your extra time spent.
From India, Kharar
No Diirector is beyond the law of the land or organisation. We know even Presidents and Prime Ministers having been sent to jail or even executed for abuse of Law. The privilege of the Director is limited to his activities including coming and going as per the norms approved by the Board and not on insisting that his employees be extending a "guard of honour" by staying late according to his whims and facies. Let it be clear to all of us!
Having said that, the employees can jointly ask the management to define the duty hours. You must also ask them that in case one has to overstay on account of work, what are the schemes for Overtime/Compensatory off ?. Of course every employee has to overstay occasionally in case of a real exigency like some inspection by third party/Govt authorities etc. But urgency/exigency cannot be on every day and definitely not as per the whims and fancies of a Director, however mighty he might be.
You can also seek clarifications from your appointing authority on the above points.
From India, Bangalore
Having said that, the employees can jointly ask the management to define the duty hours. You must also ask them that in case one has to overstay on account of work, what are the schemes for Overtime/Compensatory off ?. Of course every employee has to overstay occasionally in case of a real exigency like some inspection by third party/Govt authorities etc. But urgency/exigency cannot be on every day and definitely not as per the whims and fancies of a Director, however mighty he might be.
You can also seek clarifications from your appointing authority on the above points.
From India, Bangalore
Hello Fthaheem,
You say you work in a Govt/Public Sector Company.
Let's be realistic: whether it's in Pakistan OR India or for that matter, in most other Developing countries--those with access to the top or political links can get away with, practically, anything. The person doesn't really have to be a Director or even a senior official.
And frankly, your intent of showing/quoting the Rules & Regulations won't work--UNLESS you have the GUTS to face the consequences, which can be pretty nasty. I am sure you see this aspect in almost every way of life in your country.
I can see ONLY TWO options for you:
1] Just take it & look for other opportunities in the Private Sector--since you are in IT, you shouldn't have a lot of problem here.
2] Explain.....NOT COMPLAIN......to the Director VERBALLY....SURELY NOT IN-WRITING.....that you & other employees are facing a bit of family issues for going late on a daily basis. Focus on influencing on the 'emotional' side of the person, rather than the 'official' side. Hope you get the point. This would be the Best Bet for any possibility of success in your efforts.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
You say you work in a Govt/Public Sector Company.
Let's be realistic: whether it's in Pakistan OR India or for that matter, in most other Developing countries--those with access to the top or political links can get away with, practically, anything. The person doesn't really have to be a Director or even a senior official.
And frankly, your intent of showing/quoting the Rules & Regulations won't work--UNLESS you have the GUTS to face the consequences, which can be pretty nasty. I am sure you see this aspect in almost every way of life in your country.
I can see ONLY TWO options for you:
1] Just take it & look for other opportunities in the Private Sector--since you are in IT, you shouldn't have a lot of problem here.
2] Explain.....NOT COMPLAIN......to the Director VERBALLY....SURELY NOT IN-WRITING.....that you & other employees are facing a bit of family issues for going late on a daily basis. Focus on influencing on the 'emotional' side of the person, rather than the 'official' side. Hope you get the point. This would be the Best Bet for any possibility of success in your efforts.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
The only thing you may do is to apologise for your actions and cross question the timings, while cross questioning mention the time you enter the office and the time you leave, so that you can calculate the extra time you are spending at the office and question the authority regarding your life and family, whether they want you to consider working as life or work as an option to lead a better life! and then calculate that how many hours you have missed your own time of your life sitting at the office, and question whether they pay you for over time, and provide, and also question just because the person is an authority above your work profile he is beyond the discipline, and also mention that it is the impact of such irresponsible behaviour on part of higher employee which has resulted in regular employee behaviour. and strictly mention that you are apologising for causing whatever by coming late to the office but have lost lot of personal and family time and more than the loss caused to them, and clear request them to justify the same............ always be polite but string in speech, never use abusing words what so ever, question in a way like asking for reason rather asking why in its direct sense............
Wish you luck...........
From India, Bangalore
Wish you luck...........
From India, Bangalore
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