Sorry for sounding cynical, but I think NONE of us are in a position to vouch for our department (unless it is tiny), our colleagues (in general, honourable exceptions exist), or our company. Those of us who can vouch for their own integrity are the blessed lot.
A R Eclexys
From India, Mumbai
3A R Eclexys
From India, Mumbai
Hi,
I think that all of us in the HR fraternity, at some time or the other, have come across similar situations as described. Some have succumbed to the temptation, while others have stood steadfast to their integrity and professional commitment.
If you have a subordinate who indulges in such malpractices, I think he/ she deserves exemplary punishment - there are no two ways about it. If it is a consultant, black list him. If it is your superior, there are subtle ways of getting across to him/ her on this matter. But, inaction is certainly not the right way forward. Because then you are certainly not helping the cause - but, let me assure you, it is easier said than done.
Regards,
Vasudev
From India, Madras
I think that all of us in the HR fraternity, at some time or the other, have come across similar situations as described. Some have succumbed to the temptation, while others have stood steadfast to their integrity and professional commitment.
If you have a subordinate who indulges in such malpractices, I think he/ she deserves exemplary punishment - there are no two ways about it. If it is a consultant, black list him. If it is your superior, there are subtle ways of getting across to him/ her on this matter. But, inaction is certainly not the right way forward. Because then you are certainly not helping the cause - but, let me assure you, it is easier said than done.
Regards,
Vasudev
From India, Madras
Hi Folks,
It’s embarrassing talking about this topic however it is true. That’s what happening even in the big MNCs they are taking bribes and giving the opportunities to the guys who are not capable of doing things. Definitely it is not a good practice and even I suggest the job aspirants to don’t opt for such kind of trap.
It’s happened to one of my friends who could able to get a job in an MNC by bribing however after a couple of months they fired him for his incapability.
So I suggest all the friends to don’t offer bribe instead you can work hard in your field and get a job and that could help in your professional career. These days getting a job is not a big issue if you have the capability.
Regards,
Kalyan. :D
From India, Bangalore
It’s embarrassing talking about this topic however it is true. That’s what happening even in the big MNCs they are taking bribes and giving the opportunities to the guys who are not capable of doing things. Definitely it is not a good practice and even I suggest the job aspirants to don’t opt for such kind of trap.
It’s happened to one of my friends who could able to get a job in an MNC by bribing however after a couple of months they fired him for his incapability.
So I suggest all the friends to don’t offer bribe instead you can work hard in your field and get a job and that could help in your professional career. These days getting a job is not a big issue if you have the capability.
Regards,
Kalyan. :D
From India, Bangalore
@joylyn
If companies dont want to entertain the consultants, why are they not ramping up the sourcing team????
I belive the value system are the same for all human beings not only for HR......These people should show some more maturity and should be professional in their behaviour....
THE HR try to fit in Round peg in a hole ....and if these kinds of things are happening...the companies r the one one who r gonna suffer....
And i think.....everyone would be knowing about the reason of attrition now.... :D
Regards
Nidhin Jacob
IT Recruiter
From India
If companies dont want to entertain the consultants, why are they not ramping up the sourcing team????
I belive the value system are the same for all human beings not only for HR......These people should show some more maturity and should be professional in their behaviour....
THE HR try to fit in Round peg in a hole ....and if these kinds of things are happening...the companies r the one one who r gonna suffer....
And i think.....everyone would be knowing about the reason of attrition now.... :D
Regards
Nidhin Jacob
IT Recruiter
From India
let me share an instance:
A 5 kg ABC fire extinguisher with all quality checks in place (am a auditor myself, so be asured) made by top ranking company in India retails for around 3,500/-.
I had the opportunity of interacting/ learning with DGQA/ DGS & D auditors, so one fine day On one of my client's insistence, i negotiated with few of the top players.
The price which they are willing to sell with minimum persistence does not exceed 1200/-
REFILL with all Genuine quality checks in place cost doesnt exceed 350/- and the billing is normally 4X
so you may very well guess the payoffs for a small factory employing 100 extinguishers.
same thing happens with Pest control.... My advice to al of you would be to ask the vendor for the chemical name"CAS no", so that you yourself can calculate the dosage/ precautions/ cost etc.
All of you who interact with contractors would be knowing as to how many people do they really hire on rolls ie proper PF/ ESI accounts.
The reality is most fo them maintain a showcase payroll with minimum number of employees. even these bare minimum do not know that they have pF/ ESI accounts in their name. Blank documents are signed and kept in safe custody till the end of employment..
suryavrat
From India, Delhi
A 5 kg ABC fire extinguisher with all quality checks in place (am a auditor myself, so be asured) made by top ranking company in India retails for around 3,500/-.
I had the opportunity of interacting/ learning with DGQA/ DGS & D auditors, so one fine day On one of my client's insistence, i negotiated with few of the top players.
The price which they are willing to sell with minimum persistence does not exceed 1200/-
REFILL with all Genuine quality checks in place cost doesnt exceed 350/- and the billing is normally 4X
so you may very well guess the payoffs for a small factory employing 100 extinguishers.
same thing happens with Pest control.... My advice to al of you would be to ask the vendor for the chemical name"CAS no", so that you yourself can calculate the dosage/ precautions/ cost etc.
All of you who interact with contractors would be knowing as to how many people do they really hire on rolls ie proper PF/ ESI accounts.
The reality is most fo them maintain a showcase payroll with minimum number of employees. even these bare minimum do not know that they have pF/ ESI accounts in their name. Blank documents are signed and kept in safe custody till the end of employment..
suryavrat
From India, Delhi
Hello Sari, Its really difficult for all of us to trust.You know large no. of people go through for job or we can say belive only the consult . Abousulty its not trustworthy . Regards Shanti
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Dear Friends,
The topic is actually very useful which is raised by Sari. Even i have seen lots of people in industry who are working as a HR person because they have good connections and money. I am working in a Consultency so i know lots of people in this field who actually dont know anything about HR but they are working in a good oraganization...u can say with brand names. I cant mention companies name here because they are our clients. Lots of people working as a secretary and side by side handling HR work also without proper educational and professional knowledge.
yes its difficult to trust but it is true...and these people are blocking our way also.......now i am totally confused what to do?? I have more than one year experience in recruitment process but still not getting any chance to enter in corporate level. I have some offers but again its a contract basis job.
Regards,
Anita
From India, Madras
The topic is actually very useful which is raised by Sari. Even i have seen lots of people in industry who are working as a HR person because they have good connections and money. I am working in a Consultency so i know lots of people in this field who actually dont know anything about HR but they are working in a good oraganization...u can say with brand names. I cant mention companies name here because they are our clients. Lots of people working as a secretary and side by side handling HR work also without proper educational and professional knowledge.
yes its difficult to trust but it is true...and these people are blocking our way also.......now i am totally confused what to do?? I have more than one year experience in recruitment process but still not getting any chance to enter in corporate level. I have some offers but again its a contract basis job.
Regards,
Anita
From India, Madras
Dear Anitha,
Greetings!
If it is one year contract job, then proceed and accept the offer orelse dont accept bcoz i start my career as a contract employee but i suffered a lot to get regularised but now i am happy. so dont reject the offer bcoz of Contract.
Rgds,
John N
From India, Madras
Greetings!
If it is one year contract job, then proceed and accept the offer orelse dont accept bcoz i start my career as a contract employee but i suffered a lot to get regularised but now i am happy. so dont reject the offer bcoz of Contract.
Rgds,
John N
From India, Madras
One more insight....
A HR officer with two years experience was selected at a call center. During salary negotiations, his interviewer wondered why he was being so stubborn. After all, he was told, the position was capable of generating a second income which would make the salary seem insignificant.
From India, Mumbai
A HR officer with two years experience was selected at a call center. During salary negotiations, his interviewer wondered why he was being so stubborn. After all, he was told, the position was capable of generating a second income which would make the salary seem insignificant.
From India, Mumbai
Hello,
I am MBA Correspondence student. I am choosing the elective is HR. But Now I submit a project. Now I do not know choose the two titles. 1. Job Satisfaction and also another one 2. Quality of work life.
Pls give me a clear reference with and also can give me a project.
Thanks to all
Ani
From India, Madras
I am MBA Correspondence student. I am choosing the elective is HR. But Now I submit a project. Now I do not know choose the two titles. 1. Job Satisfaction and also another one 2. Quality of work life.
Pls give me a clear reference with and also can give me a project.
Thanks to all
Ani
From India, Madras
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