Dear Friends,
There seems to be very few safety professionals in this forum. Almost the posts from same few – that too mostly from HR, with their issues are seen repeatedly. Many a post is irrelevant. The discussion is almost dry.
I like the youngsters like Mr.Dilip Kumar, Ms.Hansa Vyas always contributing their might. However it is not enough. We have a beautiful forum. Can any of the friends suggest ways and means to make it more effective and lively please?
Regards,
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
252There seems to be very few safety professionals in this forum. Almost the posts from same few – that too mostly from HR, with their issues are seen repeatedly. Many a post is irrelevant. The discussion is almost dry.
I like the youngsters like Mr.Dilip Kumar, Ms.Hansa Vyas always contributing their might. However it is not enough. We have a beautiful forum. Can any of the friends suggest ways and means to make it more effective and lively please?
Regards,
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
Dear Sir
Thanks to shows your concern openly.
In my opinion one should communicate to all his known Safety Pro regarding the site. If it's HR or a Safety Pro. I have done the same to my group of Safety Pro. But response is very poor. No one is actively coming forward. I don't know the reason and don't know how to get participation.
Also I have post at many groups and in orkut also regarding the forum.
I am sure, if all with a positive intention of spreading awareness on SHE and start doing such communications about the forum we will get higher participation soon.
Regards,
Dipil Kumar V
From India
Thanks to shows your concern openly.
In my opinion one should communicate to all his known Safety Pro regarding the site. If it's HR or a Safety Pro. I have done the same to my group of Safety Pro. But response is very poor. No one is actively coming forward. I don't know the reason and don't know how to get participation.
Also I have post at many groups and in orkut also regarding the forum.
I am sure, if all with a positive intention of spreading awareness on SHE and start doing such communications about the forum we will get higher participation soon.
Regards,
Dipil Kumar V
From India
please suggest me some colleges which conduct course in safety and EHS through correspondence course .
From India, Thana
From India, Thana
Dear Sir, It really a matter of concern. I am coming forward to actively participate in this initiaitve. Regards Firoz
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Dear Kesava,
Thanks for your concern on safety and health.Reason for low parcipation in my opinion is a demoralising state of safety affairs in most companies. Barring few good Indian and all foreign companies, safety is given a low priority treatment by other Indian companies.It is an irony that this highly serious field is getting a non serious treatment. Fault is on both sides. Rampant corruption in the system allow the companies going scot free by paying here and there so they do not plan any big budget for this deptt. On the other hand the labour also takes no interest in safety.They fail the safety staff by defying safety orders.They simply donot understand that all safety measures are for their welfare and their safety of life.This very predicament faced by safety officers demoralises them in most of the set ups. This is what is happening to me atleast.Your enthu gets sandwiched between two unwilling entities.Atleast I would like to do something else
From India, Delhi
Thanks for your concern on safety and health.Reason for low parcipation in my opinion is a demoralising state of safety affairs in most companies. Barring few good Indian and all foreign companies, safety is given a low priority treatment by other Indian companies.It is an irony that this highly serious field is getting a non serious treatment. Fault is on both sides. Rampant corruption in the system allow the companies going scot free by paying here and there so they do not plan any big budget for this deptt. On the other hand the labour also takes no interest in safety.They fail the safety staff by defying safety orders.They simply donot understand that all safety measures are for their welfare and their safety of life.This very predicament faced by safety officers demoralises them in most of the set ups. This is what is happening to me atleast.Your enthu gets sandwiched between two unwilling entities.Atleast I would like to do something else
From India, Delhi
Dear Jitender,
Thanks a lot you noticed the post.
We have achieved a lot and the records speak for itself..
DEATH/100,000 ----------1945----1990
Ag, forestry, fishing--------53-------42
Mining -------------------187-------43
Construction--------------126-------33
Manufacturing------------- 19-------6
Transportation-------------52-------22
Wholesale retail------------10--------4
Services-------------------20--------4
From somewhere we are stagnant. We may have to struggle a lot but we are definitely improving though slow.
Let us move forward and try to do our might for the great cause.
Hope you will be there too !
Regards.
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
Thanks a lot you noticed the post.
We have achieved a lot and the records speak for itself..
DEATH/100,000 ----------1945----1990
Ag, forestry, fishing--------53-------42
Mining -------------------187-------43
Construction--------------126-------33
Manufacturing------------- 19-------6
Transportation-------------52-------22
Wholesale retail------------10--------4
Services-------------------20--------4
From somewhere we are stagnant. We may have to struggle a lot but we are definitely improving though slow.
Let us move forward and try to do our might for the great cause.
Hope you will be there too !
Regards.
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
Dear Deepak, You are most welcome friend. Try to involve in the discussion we are sure to gain. Regards, Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
From India, Kollam
Dear all
Nice to see a lot new faces coming forward... Welcome all and please participate in the group discussions with the same enthusiasam...
Kesav sir great work by welcoming and motivating each and everyone...
Regards,
DIPIL
From India
Nice to see a lot new faces coming forward... Welcome all and please participate in the group discussions with the same enthusiasam...
Kesav sir great work by welcoming and motivating each and everyone...
Regards,
DIPIL
From India
Dear Sir,
For improvement in safety and health, untiring work and patience is most required.
Like training , some will give lip service to this concept. But of late things being changed and all organizations are forced to implement safety measures.
One has to improve the knowledge on safety matters and this is not a one time affair and it is an on going one. By sharing their experiences every one can benefit.
But here also the string attached is the defensive confidence surrounding safety affairs.
However let us try our best
But my experience is that if valid and useful suggestions are given in safety, those are always welcomed and implemented by organizations be it small or big.
Regards,
T.S.SRINIVASAN
From India, Pondicherry
For improvement in safety and health, untiring work and patience is most required.
Like training , some will give lip service to this concept. But of late things being changed and all organizations are forced to implement safety measures.
One has to improve the knowledge on safety matters and this is not a one time affair and it is an on going one. By sharing their experiences every one can benefit.
But here also the string attached is the defensive confidence surrounding safety affairs.
However let us try our best
But my experience is that if valid and useful suggestions are given in safety, those are always welcomed and implemented by organizations be it small or big.
Regards,
T.S.SRINIVASAN
From India, Pondicherry
Dear Friends,
Thanks for your nice post Mr.TSS.
I take this opportunity to bring out some criticism on working of safety departments or safety staff.
I have always found that the chief executives are never adverse to implementing essential safety measures.
When safety department wants something done and if it is recommended to do so the originator often fails to convince the decision maker. If the decision maker before approval seeks clarifications the originator fails to make it. Probably it will not come back to the decision maker with the clarifications sought. It gets dropped. As to why safety recommendations are not approved is often found to be lack of acceptable reasons provided with the recommendation at the first instant. Executives are not puppets to approve what ever is submitted from safety or any other department. They too are accountable and they need reasoning for approving anything.
For the failure on the part of safety personnel to convince the management we often blame the management that they are not interested in safety. If the decision maker asks three points often the safety personnel are not equipped to answer even one convincingly.
On the other hand in organizations where we have effective safety departments we can see that the personality of the safety staff drives it to the top and gets the executives involved much in the activities.
Safety personnel require very good communication skills too. They are supposed to deal with only top management personnel to get policy decisions.
How many of our safety personnel are capable of doing justice to the calling.
I assure not many, and this condition has to change.
Let safety personnel assess themselves.
1. Am I equipped with the required knowledge?
2. Am I fully conversant with the statutory requirements?
3. Am I aware of the modern techniques of safety management?
4. How about my communication skills?
5. What I lack in my approach to my management?
6. Am I doing justice to the profession?
There are many more.
We need rethinking before blaming management for lack of interest in safety.
A reminder: While I am pointing one finger to others three remain pointed towards me.
Regards,
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
Thanks for your nice post Mr.TSS.
I take this opportunity to bring out some criticism on working of safety departments or safety staff.
I have always found that the chief executives are never adverse to implementing essential safety measures.
When safety department wants something done and if it is recommended to do so the originator often fails to convince the decision maker. If the decision maker before approval seeks clarifications the originator fails to make it. Probably it will not come back to the decision maker with the clarifications sought. It gets dropped. As to why safety recommendations are not approved is often found to be lack of acceptable reasons provided with the recommendation at the first instant. Executives are not puppets to approve what ever is submitted from safety or any other department. They too are accountable and they need reasoning for approving anything.
For the failure on the part of safety personnel to convince the management we often blame the management that they are not interested in safety. If the decision maker asks three points often the safety personnel are not equipped to answer even one convincingly.
On the other hand in organizations where we have effective safety departments we can see that the personality of the safety staff drives it to the top and gets the executives involved much in the activities.
Safety personnel require very good communication skills too. They are supposed to deal with only top management personnel to get policy decisions.
How many of our safety personnel are capable of doing justice to the calling.
I assure not many, and this condition has to change.
Let safety personnel assess themselves.
1. Am I equipped with the required knowledge?
2. Am I fully conversant with the statutory requirements?
3. Am I aware of the modern techniques of safety management?
4. How about my communication skills?
5. What I lack in my approach to my management?
6. Am I doing justice to the profession?
There are many more.
We need rethinking before blaming management for lack of interest in safety.
A reminder: While I am pointing one finger to others three remain pointed towards me.
Regards,
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
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