hai
Is that difficult to Work under a Female BOSSSSSSSSS. she asks reports which we would not understand. Will there be any future or improvement in working under her.
I dont think she will make us learn new things =, our team is fed up by her way of taking with us.
Can Any one help out to overcome this situation.
From India, Coimbatore
8Is that difficult to Work under a Female BOSSSSSSSSS. she asks reports which we would not understand. Will there be any future or improvement in working under her.
I dont think she will make us learn new things =, our team is fed up by her way of taking with us.
Can Any one help out to overcome this situation.
From India, Coimbatore
Dear Guna,The thing that I would like to point out in ur situation is you have to analyse the cause that what she really expects from u and ur team. If it's need try to have a open session on ur routine problems with ur female boss.I think that will give a proper understanding between u and ur boss.Try it at the earliest.
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Dear Mr.Guna,
Request you to come out of preconceived notions, you boss is not understanding your issues that is the major issue, don't club this with the gender & it is wrong also. There are excellant leaders in Females also.
My suggestion to you is that you should take some time from her and have a one to one discussion and very openly express your concerns. This may go in to different direction also, you should be prepared for that.
In your life time you have to work with so many bosses hence you should learn how to work with good or bad bosses.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
Request you to come out of preconceived notions, you boss is not understanding your issues that is the major issue, don't club this with the gender & it is wrong also. There are excellant leaders in Females also.
My suggestion to you is that you should take some time from her and have a one to one discussion and very openly express your concerns. This may go in to different direction also, you should be prepared for that.
In your life time you have to work with so many bosses hence you should learn how to work with good or bad bosses.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
Here the question is not about female boss. The question is what is she actually expecting out of you people? Try to figure it out or else when ever she assigns any tasks, ask her till you understand and if is she gets irritated then tell her that in order to complete the work you need to understand what is that exactly assigned to you people. See we are HR's and we should be bold enough to face any sort of situation.
Try to have open converations with her such that even she understands your problem. Arrange for an HR meet every week where you can share your feeling, thoughts and ideas. I hope so this will put an end to your problems. Please dont discourage yourself.
Malini
From India, Madras
Try to have open converations with her such that even she understands your problem. Arrange for an HR meet every week where you can share your feeling, thoughts and ideas. I hope so this will put an end to your problems. Please dont discourage yourself.
Malini
From India, Madras
i dont think this quest is gud....u can face same prob wid male boss also......this is the prob of humanbeing......so u should kno ..how to handle humanbeing ......see Bosses and supervisors aren't from another planet, but sometimes they seem to be.
i wiil tell u smething dont sacred while discussing wid ur boss...be frank
try to kno mood of your boss.....and wrk accordingly.....dont oppose any time.but try to motivate .....When your boss criticizes you, don’t react out of emotion ...If they criticize your work, then that means that they hv their own idea on how that work should be done, so ask them for their advice on how ur work can be improved.
suppose ur boss is giving u sme task -There are many ways of completing a task and having a discussion about them at the very beginning will allow you to see things from their perspective as well as sharing your own with them.... try to know their likes and dislikes inside and out so tht u can avoid future criticisms.
@@ one more thing male empls alwys like to wrk wid female boss and female empls alwys wrk to male boss......ang genrally i hv seen ..u wil find better coordination btw them....i thinlk coz of diff sex......
hmmmmmmmmmmm so same case is going on...........dont wry u will get the MALE boss very soon.....:D :D ( just pulling)
From India, Pune
i wiil tell u smething dont sacred while discussing wid ur boss...be frank
try to kno mood of your boss.....and wrk accordingly.....dont oppose any time.but try to motivate .....When your boss criticizes you, don’t react out of emotion ...If they criticize your work, then that means that they hv their own idea on how that work should be done, so ask them for their advice on how ur work can be improved.
suppose ur boss is giving u sme task -There are many ways of completing a task and having a discussion about them at the very beginning will allow you to see things from their perspective as well as sharing your own with them.... try to know their likes and dislikes inside and out so tht u can avoid future criticisms.
@@ one more thing male empls alwys like to wrk wid female boss and female empls alwys wrk to male boss......ang genrally i hv seen ..u wil find better coordination btw them....i thinlk coz of diff sex......
hmmmmmmmmmmm so same case is going on...........dont wry u will get the MALE boss very soon.....:D :D ( just pulling)
From India, Pune
Abhi, Hope you have lot of experience working under female boss. No no the truth is male empls alwys like to work with female boss :beatup:
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Dear Guna
Greetings!
Article published in RediffNews - 10 rules to manage your boss-Jacques Horovitz
The relationship with your boss is probably the most important relationship you have at work.
Boss management can stimulate better performance, improve your working life, job satisfaction, and workload. Give your boss a hand and reap the rewards.
When we think of managing someone, we usually think of managing our team members or subordinates. The above title appeared for the first time a few years ago in a Harvard Business Review article written by two well known socio-psychologists.
Their argument was that in modern companies, subordinates are not solely dependent on their bosses, but that today's complexity requires interdependence: the boss needs her team as well.
I have the vantage point of being an adviser to top management, a CEO, and now as Co-Director of the PED program at IMD. In addition, I have been involved in the restructuring of a major international company, which involves some 12,000 people and 12 hierarchical levels.
In order to unleash the energies and get closer to customers, we divided the group into 250 'small companies' of some 50 people each and of three hierarchical levels. To change the mindset, we organised a 20-day management seminar, during which we discussed the challenge of how to deal with bosses, who in the old structure, tended to hamper change.
The whole process forced me to crystallize my observations and previous experience and test them with the 250 managers. I have grouped the results into ten rules that try to answer some common questions asked by managers with respect to managing their bosses, with the aim of helping the relationship become more effective, foster faster decisions, better decisions and more trust.
1. Decisions: If you do not want a 'no' or procrastination, give him/her a hand
Your boss has other subordinates, other decisions to make. Thus, her (for simplicity, we use 'her' from now on in this article) best bet, if she is pressed for a decision, will be to say no. No, it is too risky; no, we do not have enough evidence; no, it is the wrong timing; no, it is off strategy, et cetera.
Yes, you have preoccupations, problems to solve and issues to tackle. However, while your time is entirely devoted to them, do not expect your boss's time to be also.
Rare are the bosses who, when asked for their advice or their decision, will use the psychological ping-pong approach of retuning the question to the person who asked.
And their opinion may not always be that of a genius or a visionary. However, once given, the opinion becomes a constraint: was it an order? So, if you don't want your boss's opinion to thwart your achievements, to slow the speed of decision-making, or cloud the viewpoint, then don't ask for it. Best of all, don't ask if you don't need her opinion.
Turn grapes into wine: you are supposed to analyze the results of a market survey, and not be the mailman who passes the thick document full of statistics to your boss. So be selective; be visual; group the data; bring out what is essential. Data overload creates stress, which in turn can create denial, rejection, and numbness. As a manager, you are paid to collect the grapes (data), and turn them into wine, i.e. useful information.
Good bosses hate two kinds of behavior. The courtesan who always comes to tell you how great you are and the pyromaniac/fireman who comes to tell you "There is a huge problem" and then says "but don't worry, I will solve it!"
There is also a third kind, the monkey transferor. She has a problem and she puts it on your shoulders, rather than bringing a solution or at least some options.
Problems usually have several aspects. It is usually a gap between an objective and the result; there are options to close the gap; there is a choice of one option to be made; key tasks, dates, people and resources needed must be defined.
On which of those steps in problem solving do you want your boss's input? Just be clear on what input you want rather than come with the stressful -- "I have a problem�" and throw the monkey.
6. Assumptions: Do not assume she knows as much as you do, but assume she can understand; so educate her. Please help, you are the expert. You spend all of your time and that of your team on the issue. You live with data, pressure points and levers; your boss does not. She does not know more than you do.
Most senior executives are even dangerous when they get involved in making micro-decisions, as their point of reference is often not the current one but rather the situation they knew when they were junior managers.
If you need her perspective, it is because it is broader; she has a better sense for inter-relationships with other parts of the organisation. You have two options.
It is not always easy to define ex ante what is delegated to a person. Some companies prefer to use the principle of subsidiary rather than the principle of delegation: the principle of subsidiary stipulates that you can do everything except the following list, whereas in the principle of delegation you stipulate, "you cannot do anything except�"
Whichever is used, there will always be some doubt whether you have or do not have the delegation. You have two options: either you play it safe by always asking your boss's opinion. This can lead to paralysis, bottlenecks and your own demise, as your boss will think you are unable to take responsibility.
Or you assume too much, take decisions and learn after the fact that it was not yours to decide. In between, there is the 'test the waters' strategy especially for things or areas, domains or steps that are unprecedented.
8. Promises: Do not promise what you cannot deliver, and avoid surprises, trust is at stake.
Trust does not develop overnight and depends a lot on the predictability of the other person: what she says and does, how often she is living up to or not living up to her statements. In the same way, you will not fully trust your boss if she changes her mind too often or says things contrary to what you were told the last time.
You also want to avoid being seen as unreliable by not delivering on what you promise or surprising her with bad news without forewarning.
Do not promise dates for finishing projects you cannot handle. If you see that too much is asked of you, sit down and re-discuss priorities before proceeding, rather than becoming yourself a bottleneck. Involve your boss in the process, so it becomes a common priority.
Avoid bad surprises. If your job is to be in charge of a particular area, then it is also to be in charge of bad results and improving them.
Involve your boss in discussing and evaluating the risks, agreeing on key lead indicators that you will both share, so that neither you nor he will be surprised. For instance, whereas sales are not a good lead indicator, future orders or bookings can be. Cash in the bank is not, whereas good cash flow three months in advance is.
9. Differences: Manage differences in culture.
Sometimes at IMD we use a questionnaire called the Power Map to help participants identify their own culture (i.e. values they cherish, leading to certain behaviors), to identify other executives' profiles and discuss consequences on communication and leadership in a team.
To simplify, the four main types of profiles that our survey identified are:
If your boss is the action type, she could be bored. So in that case an executive summary, emphasizing the key actions and results would be a handy starting point.
10. Trust: Don't be sloppy in your documentation. It undermines trust.
By making the assumption that she will check what we write or say anyway, and that she will make changes, we sometimes tend to be sloppy in our writing. Tables are not finished, text is not re-read, places we are going to are not visited beforehand, spelling is not checked, and information is missing...
By not finalizing your facts, arguments, memos, spelling, supporting documents, etc., you can be sure some things will get changed, mistakes corrected. And soon you will be asked to show more facts and figures, and you will see more changes, more amendments. Soon all the delegation you had will be gone.
Conclusion
Better work between a boss and his subordinate is not just a matter of leadership. It also has to do with boss 'management', which can stimulate better performance, faster decision making and accomplishment of more � by both parties.
Jacques Horovitz is Professor of Service Strategy, Service Marketing & Service Management at IMD, one of the world's leading business schools.
Malini:
I won't agree with your views ("No no the truth is male empls alwys like to work with female boss")
From India, Madras
Greetings!
Article published in RediffNews - 10 rules to manage your boss-Jacques Horovitz
The relationship with your boss is probably the most important relationship you have at work.
Boss management can stimulate better performance, improve your working life, job satisfaction, and workload. Give your boss a hand and reap the rewards.
When we think of managing someone, we usually think of managing our team members or subordinates. The above title appeared for the first time a few years ago in a Harvard Business Review article written by two well known socio-psychologists.
Their argument was that in modern companies, subordinates are not solely dependent on their bosses, but that today's complexity requires interdependence: the boss needs her team as well.
I have the vantage point of being an adviser to top management, a CEO, and now as Co-Director of the PED program at IMD. In addition, I have been involved in the restructuring of a major international company, which involves some 12,000 people and 12 hierarchical levels.
In order to unleash the energies and get closer to customers, we divided the group into 250 'small companies' of some 50 people each and of three hierarchical levels. To change the mindset, we organised a 20-day management seminar, during which we discussed the challenge of how to deal with bosses, who in the old structure, tended to hamper change.
The whole process forced me to crystallize my observations and previous experience and test them with the 250 managers. I have grouped the results into ten rules that try to answer some common questions asked by managers with respect to managing their bosses, with the aim of helping the relationship become more effective, foster faster decisions, better decisions and more trust.
1. Decisions: If you do not want a 'no' or procrastination, give him/her a hand
Your boss has other subordinates, other decisions to make. Thus, her (for simplicity, we use 'her' from now on in this article) best bet, if she is pressed for a decision, will be to say no. No, it is too risky; no, we do not have enough evidence; no, it is the wrong timing; no, it is off strategy, et cetera.
- To avoid the 'no' that will ruin your and your team's enthusiasm, give her a hand.
Remind her of where you left it last time you met; - Remind her of the objective rather than rushing to the 'what' and 'how';
- Remind her of past problems encountered because a decision was not made;
- Quickly summarize the options considered, your criteria for selecting one option -- the one you are presenting;
- Tell her what you expect from her: simply to inform, to decide jointly, to share the risk, to add one criterion, to re-examine the option;
- Focus on the points where you need her help;
- Be prepared with facts/data for potential disagreements. Help her out with graphics and visuals so that the situation is grasped faster;
- After your meeting, summarize for her the decision in writing to make sure of the understanding;
- And finally, once a decision has been made, your way, her way or no way, do not criticize it externally. You have become the best defender; the best ambassador of what was decided.
Yes, you have preoccupations, problems to solve and issues to tackle. However, while your time is entirely devoted to them, do not expect your boss's time to be also.
- The more simple the problem or issue at hand is, the less time you should have her spend on it: prepare, summarize, and synthesize information and options. Do not confuse your more frequent problems with the most important ones.
- Book her for several meetings in advance. Nothing is more frustrating than to have to wait days, weeks or months for that extra new meeting needed in order to finalize a decision or a project.
Rare are the bosses who, when asked for their advice or their decision, will use the psychological ping-pong approach of retuning the question to the person who asked.
And their opinion may not always be that of a genius or a visionary. However, once given, the opinion becomes a constraint: was it an order? So, if you don't want your boss's opinion to thwart your achievements, to slow the speed of decision-making, or cloud the viewpoint, then don't ask for it. Best of all, don't ask if you don't need her opinion.
- Choose the right moment to avoid procrastination: not only save her time by focusing on big issues, but choose the right moment to do so. If you present an issue at the wrong moment, the chances are she will procrastinate.
- Prepare for your meeting: first because the advantage is to the one who is prepared, second because the preparation helps you reduce the time taken to come to the central issue.
- Show the forest before the trees in a discussion: if you want to avoid spending a lot of time on going back to basics before she is at full speed with you, start with the basics yourself. Remind her of the objective, where you stand today, and what you want her opinion on.
Turn grapes into wine: you are supposed to analyze the results of a market survey, and not be the mailman who passes the thick document full of statistics to your boss. So be selective; be visual; group the data; bring out what is essential. Data overload creates stress, which in turn can create denial, rejection, and numbness. As a manager, you are paid to collect the grapes (data), and turn them into wine, i.e. useful information.
- Don't give her only the bad news: give her also the good news. If you keep bringing only bad news, little by little you become the bad news yourself. Don't minimize good news, because you want to focus on the problems. By doing that you contribute to creating a bad atmosphere.
- Make sure she does not get the information from others too often: sometimes by being shy about what we should give or because we think it is not relevant, we don't feed our boss with key elements. However, other people could do it before you. And then the hassle starts. "I heard that�", "Why didn't you tell me that�"
- And then you need to justify yourself; you may need to modify incorrect information. The trade off is between too little information leading to starvation, frustration, and/or restlessness vs too much information leading to overload.
- Round off: what helps more to give sense to an amount or a size: 886,262.11 or 890K? What makes the decision-making process faster: 79.27% vs 21.73% or simply 80% vs 20%. Look back at all the tables you sent to your boss in the last twelve months.
- Participate in and contribute to her informal network: every manager, hopefully, does not rely solely for managing on formal information given in internal documents and reports. Some people use internal informal networks. Some others also have an informal outside network of experts, friends, business connections that help them shape their vision of the world and how to act. You have yours; your boss has too. Why not volunteer part of yours, so that you do not always have to react and be defensive about information fed by people you do not necessarily think are the best sources?
Good bosses hate two kinds of behavior. The courtesan who always comes to tell you how great you are and the pyromaniac/fireman who comes to tell you "There is a huge problem" and then says "but don't worry, I will solve it!"
There is also a third kind, the monkey transferor. She has a problem and she puts it on your shoulders, rather than bringing a solution or at least some options.
Problems usually have several aspects. It is usually a gap between an objective and the result; there are options to close the gap; there is a choice of one option to be made; key tasks, dates, people and resources needed must be defined.
On which of those steps in problem solving do you want your boss's input? Just be clear on what input you want rather than come with the stressful -- "I have a problem�" and throw the monkey.
6. Assumptions: Do not assume she knows as much as you do, but assume she can understand; so educate her. Please help, you are the expert. You spend all of your time and that of your team on the issue. You live with data, pressure points and levers; your boss does not. She does not know more than you do.
Most senior executives are even dangerous when they get involved in making micro-decisions, as their point of reference is often not the current one but rather the situation they knew when they were junior managers.
If you need her perspective, it is because it is broader; she has a better sense for inter-relationships with other parts of the organisation. You have two options.
- You inundate her with technical stuff she does not understand, hoping that the amount of technical jargon will knock her down and force her to agree with you. It may work, but it may become a barrier in communication leading to lack of trust.
- You educate him by simplifying, using easy to understand language, feeding him with articles, examples, best practices, summaries that help him see a perspective. By creating understanding, you relieve tensions; create trust that can lead to better decision-making.
It is not always easy to define ex ante what is delegated to a person. Some companies prefer to use the principle of subsidiary rather than the principle of delegation: the principle of subsidiary stipulates that you can do everything except the following list, whereas in the principle of delegation you stipulate, "you cannot do anything except�"
Whichever is used, there will always be some doubt whether you have or do not have the delegation. You have two options: either you play it safe by always asking your boss's opinion. This can lead to paralysis, bottlenecks and your own demise, as your boss will think you are unable to take responsibility.
Or you assume too much, take decisions and learn after the fact that it was not yours to decide. In between, there is the 'test the waters' strategy especially for things or areas, domains or steps that are unprecedented.
8. Promises: Do not promise what you cannot deliver, and avoid surprises, trust is at stake.
Trust does not develop overnight and depends a lot on the predictability of the other person: what she says and does, how often she is living up to or not living up to her statements. In the same way, you will not fully trust your boss if she changes her mind too often or says things contrary to what you were told the last time.
You also want to avoid being seen as unreliable by not delivering on what you promise or surprising her with bad news without forewarning.
Do not promise dates for finishing projects you cannot handle. If you see that too much is asked of you, sit down and re-discuss priorities before proceeding, rather than becoming yourself a bottleneck. Involve your boss in the process, so it becomes a common priority.
Avoid bad surprises. If your job is to be in charge of a particular area, then it is also to be in charge of bad results and improving them.
Involve your boss in discussing and evaluating the risks, agreeing on key lead indicators that you will both share, so that neither you nor he will be surprised. For instance, whereas sales are not a good lead indicator, future orders or bookings can be. Cash in the bank is not, whereas good cash flow three months in advance is.
9. Differences: Manage differences in culture.
Sometimes at IMD we use a questionnaire called the Power Map to help participants identify their own culture (i.e. values they cherish, leading to certain behaviors), to identify other executives' profiles and discuss consequences on communication and leadership in a team.
To simplify, the four main types of profiles that our survey identified are:
- People who like to 'control things' and introduce processes, develop more the 'now';
- People who are more concerned with people, develop more the impact on people;
- People who are more concerned with getting things done, start with key actions;
- People who are more concerned with ideas, frame proposals in concepts.
If your boss is the action type, she could be bored. So in that case an executive summary, emphasizing the key actions and results would be a handy starting point.
10. Trust: Don't be sloppy in your documentation. It undermines trust.
By making the assumption that she will check what we write or say anyway, and that she will make changes, we sometimes tend to be sloppy in our writing. Tables are not finished, text is not re-read, places we are going to are not visited beforehand, spelling is not checked, and information is missing...
By not finalizing your facts, arguments, memos, spelling, supporting documents, etc., you can be sure some things will get changed, mistakes corrected. And soon you will be asked to show more facts and figures, and you will see more changes, more amendments. Soon all the delegation you had will be gone.
Conclusion
Better work between a boss and his subordinate is not just a matter of leadership. It also has to do with boss 'management', which can stimulate better performance, faster decision making and accomplishment of more � by both parties.
Jacques Horovitz is Professor of Service Strategy, Service Marketing & Service Management at IMD, one of the world's leading business schools.
Malini:
I won't agree with your views ("No no the truth is male empls alwys like to work with female boss")
From India, Madras
I dont know why did this discussion come up in the Humour thread?
I think the problem of dealing with bad bosses is there irrespective of the gender. Here is an article by Susan M Heathfield an international HR writer.
See the attachment please.
Regards,
Shijit.
From India, Kochi
I think the problem of dealing with bad bosses is there irrespective of the gender. Here is an article by Susan M Heathfield an international HR writer.
See the attachment please.
Regards,
Shijit.
From India, Kochi
Hai ! Friends
A ton thanks to Sekar , Kraos, Malini, Abi and John. I am very happy to see people like you are there to guide me. Thank you very much for your responses.
I ll take up this new challenge .
Thanks again
regards
Guna
From India, Coimbatore
A ton thanks to Sekar , Kraos, Malini, Abi and John. I am very happy to see people like you are there to guide me. Thank you very much for your responses.
I ll take up this new challenge .
Thanks again
regards
Guna
From India, Coimbatore
Its not whether its male or femal boss..
the problem is with the "Boss"! ;-)
Naa.. chill u need to understand what she really expects. If it makes no sense to u then u must probably discuss with her and find out what exactly she expects.
Preparing reports is a responsibility... I guess! (well no.. I am sure of this)
From India, Madras
the problem is with the "Boss"! ;-)
Naa.. chill u need to understand what she really expects. If it makes no sense to u then u must probably discuss with her and find out what exactly she expects.
Preparing reports is a responsibility... I guess! (well no.. I am sure of this)
From India, Madras
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