I agree with the views of Vineetaj .If you are strict with the reporting time then you should also allow the staff to leave within maximum half n'hour of duty off time.Now a days most organisations make their taff work without any overtime payment for 2-3 hours daily.If it is so then I feel , the management has no moral authority to enforse only 'in' time.
From India, New Delhi
104From India, New Delhi
Mr Nathrao,
I fully agree with you.Population explosion is at the root of most of the problems our country is facing.Sadly, no politician or party has a clear policy about how to defuse this time bomb.The late JRD Tata was very vocal about the need to do something about it.A great visionary that he was he knew that increase in resources can never match the growth of this monster.But our leaders only play politics with census figures.Our PM keeps on harping on "120 crore team India" but it seems he should be reminded that even in games the size of the team is not allowed to grow in limitless manner.Even this 'team India' already appears to have a twelfth member ( 10 crores extra) ! Take his other pet theme viz., Swatch Bharat.Does he realize how much water is needed to keep this HUGE team clean and hygienic ? In Maharashtra because of slight variation in monsoon the reservoirs are half empty and in many town/villages water is supplied once a week.Then how can we have Swachha Bharat ? Even the capital Delhi is reeling under air pollution. Well, examples are plenty but to come back to our discussion I feel whatever is going on is just exploitation of labour which I , being a HR man definitely find unethical.Members might have read that even in the 'free-est of the free ' market that is USA a law was recently passed to ensure that any organisation detaining an employee beyond normal duty time should pay overtime wages to him/her.
From India, New Delhi
I fully agree with you.Population explosion is at the root of most of the problems our country is facing.Sadly, no politician or party has a clear policy about how to defuse this time bomb.The late JRD Tata was very vocal about the need to do something about it.A great visionary that he was he knew that increase in resources can never match the growth of this monster.But our leaders only play politics with census figures.Our PM keeps on harping on "120 crore team India" but it seems he should be reminded that even in games the size of the team is not allowed to grow in limitless manner.Even this 'team India' already appears to have a twelfth member ( 10 crores extra) ! Take his other pet theme viz., Swatch Bharat.Does he realize how much water is needed to keep this HUGE team clean and hygienic ? In Maharashtra because of slight variation in monsoon the reservoirs are half empty and in many town/villages water is supplied once a week.Then how can we have Swachha Bharat ? Even the capital Delhi is reeling under air pollution. Well, examples are plenty but to come back to our discussion I feel whatever is going on is just exploitation of labour which I , being a HR man definitely find unethical.Members might have read that even in the 'free-est of the free ' market that is USA a law was recently passed to ensure that any organisation detaining an employee beyond normal duty time should pay overtime wages to him/her.
From India, New Delhi
Mr Govind Kumar:I am not advocating a lenient attitude towards late coming.I am only emphasising that we should practice first before we preach.If we make an employee stay 2-3 hrs extra for exigencies of work then we should compensate him by paying overtime wages or suitable time off.
Mr Nathrao:You are absolutely right that 'sugar lobby' in Maharshtra is very strong and controlled by top politicians (one of whom wrecked the national carriers AI and IA through a mindless merger-but that's another story).
However sugar lobby is strong because money flows from sugar production.But sugar is also an essential commodity and if we produce less of it, the prices will shoot up and the common man shall suffer.If you remember, in the days of rationing we had to use jaggery in tea as sugar was not available even in ration shops.This led to black marketing and spurt in prices.A couple of years back there was a shortfall in production by a mere 10%(approx) and the prices in Kolkata shot up by 20%.Surely water is more important than sugar but sugar shortage will affect the entire country whereas water shortage , though hurting more ,will be a localised phenomenon.I think more dams/reservoirs should be built.That strengthens the moot point of our discussion that availability of natural resources is not keeping pace with population explosion.
From India, New Delhi
Mr Nathrao:You are absolutely right that 'sugar lobby' in Maharshtra is very strong and controlled by top politicians (one of whom wrecked the national carriers AI and IA through a mindless merger-but that's another story).
However sugar lobby is strong because money flows from sugar production.But sugar is also an essential commodity and if we produce less of it, the prices will shoot up and the common man shall suffer.If you remember, in the days of rationing we had to use jaggery in tea as sugar was not available even in ration shops.This led to black marketing and spurt in prices.A couple of years back there was a shortfall in production by a mere 10%(approx) and the prices in Kolkata shot up by 20%.Surely water is more important than sugar but sugar shortage will affect the entire country whereas water shortage , though hurting more ,will be a localised phenomenon.I think more dams/reservoirs should be built.That strengthens the moot point of our discussion that availability of natural resources is not keeping pace with population explosion.
From India, New Delhi
Dear SHBRAMHALL ,
Its been only three years that we are into the market and that sales employee joined us a couple of months back;5 to be specific.Since the time he has joined, we are facing this issue. Earlier he use to come late by half an hour but now by an hour or so.
Moreover, about completing their log-in hour by allowing flexible timings doesn't work. I spoke to his reporting manager regarding the nature of the work; there is not much filling work.Considering his profile, he is into Telle-sales so he needs to maintain his leads via a CRM software. Adding on to this, Calling and emailing is required. All these things happen simultaneously.
Just wanted to update- After releasing Warning Letter, he has started coming on time.
Regards,
Shradha
From India, Gurgaon
Its been only three years that we are into the market and that sales employee joined us a couple of months back;5 to be specific.Since the time he has joined, we are facing this issue. Earlier he use to come late by half an hour but now by an hour or so.
Moreover, about completing their log-in hour by allowing flexible timings doesn't work. I spoke to his reporting manager regarding the nature of the work; there is not much filling work.Considering his profile, he is into Telle-sales so he needs to maintain his leads via a CRM software. Adding on to this, Calling and emailing is required. All these things happen simultaneously.
Just wanted to update- After releasing Warning Letter, he has started coming on time.
Regards,
Shradha
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Shradha,
It is really pleasing to see that you involved in so long discussion. There are many reviews, suggestions and cross questions by experienced fellow members. Even in some cases you had to face criticism.
But you have reponded to each and every querry to the best. Moreover, it seems you have analyzed all the suggestions in your scenerio practically.
It stated your patience and committment to the issue.
The most important and happiest part is that you have reached to a final decision (after comparing and analyzing all suggestions, reviews),
and more important part is that you have shared the outcomes and given valued thanks to fellow members.
Gud luck.........
From India, Delhi
It is really pleasing to see that you involved in so long discussion. There are many reviews, suggestions and cross questions by experienced fellow members. Even in some cases you had to face criticism.
But you have reponded to each and every querry to the best. Moreover, it seems you have analyzed all the suggestions in your scenerio practically.
It stated your patience and committment to the issue.
The most important and happiest part is that you have reached to a final decision (after comparing and analyzing all suggestions, reviews),
and more important part is that you have shared the outcomes and given valued thanks to fellow members.
Gud luck.........
From India, Delhi
Dear Shradha,
On 15.05.2015, you wrote several things in his appreciation. If late coming is only a negative feature as compared to several of his positive qualities, your office has to adjust somehow or the other if he renders progressive productivity. When his job is just a telecalling activity there is no harm even if he is allowed to work from home also provided he gives productivity in a progressive manner. But, if you want him conventionally to stick to seat but he fails in maintaining productivity, would your organisation feel pleasure in that. If he slackens his activity during regular office time, would you be able to extract work by force? In fact, his productivity should matter much significant, rather than his attendance timings without ptoductivty.
From India, Delhi
On 15.05.2015, you wrote several things in his appreciation. If late coming is only a negative feature as compared to several of his positive qualities, your office has to adjust somehow or the other if he renders progressive productivity. When his job is just a telecalling activity there is no harm even if he is allowed to work from home also provided he gives productivity in a progressive manner. But, if you want him conventionally to stick to seat but he fails in maintaining productivity, would your organisation feel pleasure in that. If he slackens his activity during regular office time, would you be able to extract work by force? In fact, his productivity should matter much significant, rather than his attendance timings without ptoductivty.
From India, Delhi
Dear Friend,
As per your wordings, you have mentioned that you have allow three late in a month...after that it'll be treated as an half day.
I wish to ask two questions here:
a. Did you take written consent on the same?
b. Reporting officer of that sales person did make any complaint about his late coming?
After getting answer of these questions I can give u concrete solution of this issue.
Rgds
From India, Mumbai
As per your wordings, you have mentioned that you have allow three late in a month...after that it'll be treated as an half day.
I wish to ask two questions here:
a. Did you take written consent on the same?
b. Reporting officer of that sales person did make any complaint about his late coming?
After getting answer of these questions I can give u concrete solution of this issue.
Rgds
From India, Mumbai
Dear Shradha, If the employee is a workman as per IDA, you can initiate disciplinary action by issuing a chargesheet and conducting domestic enquiry.
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
Discipline is important for any organization and we are responsible to maintain. HR professional, we have to retain quality staff with us, Also, I read that, you are having a policy of salary deduction, employees who are coming late coming regularly.
I would suggest you to call him in office and ask for a written explanation by giving memo. if you are not satisfied with that, initially, punish him by suspension. Still, he is not ready to correct himself, discuss with the management and have to take a final call.
From India, Ernakulam
I would suggest you to call him in office and ask for a written explanation by giving memo. if you are not satisfied with that, initially, punish him by suspension. Still, he is not ready to correct himself, discuss with the management and have to take a final call.
From India, Ernakulam
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