Hi Indrani,
It is a very common problem in our Industries in India, these kind of people prevail everywhere and most of the HR professional encounters them at certain stage.
If they do that kind of things means the management is weak. The higher management is not comptent enough to deal these elements or just watch them helplessly. You are trying your best but to control all this you need support and cooperation of the higher management.
To ensure that they follow rules and act in a disciplined way offcourse you have to be very tactful with them. Prepare yourself for all situations, just discuss this with your seniours and try to have proper communication healthy communication with these elements and if everything fails just bring the things in black and white. If they dont sign the attendance register just deem them absent and mark them absent, if they are ashamed of wearing name badge just straigtaway give written warning.
I know to work in this kind of atmosphere is very streesful sometimes but you will have to work and take some tough decisions. It is very disgusting to have these kind of coward seniors who dont take any action or hesitate of taking any action on these elements just by the fear of loosing them. They dont realize that they are nurturing devil. Its better to nip the devil in the bud. These kind of seniors will have to come out of that mentality "agar murga baang nahi dega tau saveera nahi hoga"
Even in the starting of my career i had to deal with this kind of situations when i have to mend so many heros of this sort, and i can better understand what we feel when we work in this kind of atmosphere, and how owkward is the situation when some good employees questions you why certain rules apply on them and why it is not applied on the others.
Bibhutosh Bhadauria
From Australia, Balwyn
3It is a very common problem in our Industries in India, these kind of people prevail everywhere and most of the HR professional encounters them at certain stage.
If they do that kind of things means the management is weak. The higher management is not comptent enough to deal these elements or just watch them helplessly. You are trying your best but to control all this you need support and cooperation of the higher management.
To ensure that they follow rules and act in a disciplined way offcourse you have to be very tactful with them. Prepare yourself for all situations, just discuss this with your seniours and try to have proper communication healthy communication with these elements and if everything fails just bring the things in black and white. If they dont sign the attendance register just deem them absent and mark them absent, if they are ashamed of wearing name badge just straigtaway give written warning.
I know to work in this kind of atmosphere is very streesful sometimes but you will have to work and take some tough decisions. It is very disgusting to have these kind of coward seniors who dont take any action or hesitate of taking any action on these elements just by the fear of loosing them. They dont realize that they are nurturing devil. Its better to nip the devil in the bud. These kind of seniors will have to come out of that mentality "agar murga baang nahi dega tau saveera nahi hoga"
Even in the starting of my career i had to deal with this kind of situations when i have to mend so many heros of this sort, and i can better understand what we feel when we work in this kind of atmosphere, and how owkward is the situation when some good employees questions you why certain rules apply on them and why it is not applied on the others.
Bibhutosh Bhadauria
From Australia, Balwyn
Hello,
You have got very good and releavent responses to this post.
I would say that whatever you do should not seem to offensive and insulting to seniors. you can always try a diplomatic way.
you can not say anything to seniors directly but you can always advice their subbordinates infront of them to follow the decipline very humbly and do it repitatively. you will see the results in a very short time.
you can even arrange some formal sessions on etiquttes and do invite these so called seniors also to the session and then send formal reminders as the highlights of the session and also prepare a summary form to check the effectiveness of the session. Do send this form to all the seniors to be filled every week mention the names of all the subbordinates and give options for rating. Do mention the seniors name in that and see how he fills it up and send it to you. Nobody will be able to lie in this form for a longer time and you will see the difference without saying or complaining abt anything to the management.
The only thing is to do such session and feedback you may require some approvals from the management...but it will not be a difficult task.
good luck
Regards
Anal Shah
+919998035930
From India, Ahmadabad
You have got very good and releavent responses to this post.
I would say that whatever you do should not seem to offensive and insulting to seniors. you can always try a diplomatic way.
you can not say anything to seniors directly but you can always advice their subbordinates infront of them to follow the decipline very humbly and do it repitatively. you will see the results in a very short time.
you can even arrange some formal sessions on etiquttes and do invite these so called seniors also to the session and then send formal reminders as the highlights of the session and also prepare a summary form to check the effectiveness of the session. Do send this form to all the seniors to be filled every week mention the names of all the subbordinates and give options for rating. Do mention the seniors name in that and see how he fills it up and send it to you. Nobody will be able to lie in this form for a longer time and you will see the difference without saying or complaining abt anything to the management.
The only thing is to do such session and feedback you may require some approvals from the management...but it will not be a difficult task.
good luck
Regards
Anal Shah
+919998035930
From India, Ahmadabad
Indu,
I really like the good topics for discussion you come up with. This is second topic in two weeks that is very important.
The specific issue you have raised is one that is most common with all industries. Those in favour or those who are senior will always act high handed especially if they are important to the organisation with respect to their skill sets.
First let us look at a point you have mentioned earlier in the discussions that you are new to the company and that you are still young in your career. The most important thing for you to change any one is to first understand everone involved.
You need to have patience and spend more of your time in understanding the organisation culture and its people. To do this you need to work with them closely before you even try to implement it. If you boss asks you to implement something dont act immediately. Ask the most important questions Why, What, How, When, Whom (not necessarily in that order).
Especially when you are a junior you need to approach the senior personnel asking them for a suggestion in tacking the problem. It is very simple to ask a senior personnel who does not wear his tag everyday how to address another senior who also does not wear a tag everyday. If nothing else guilt will make him see the bad side of his own action.
These are simple questions assumingly harmless but will help you in making more friends among the persons you want to change than writing memos. Remember seniors against whom you write sweet letters marking CC to others will hold it against you when you are in the wrong.
Use mails as the last resort until you have established yourself in the company.
I dont know if this will help you but I personally believe that sometimes you can achieve more by talking to others than writing.
Regards
Praveen
From India
I really like the good topics for discussion you come up with. This is second topic in two weeks that is very important.
The specific issue you have raised is one that is most common with all industries. Those in favour or those who are senior will always act high handed especially if they are important to the organisation with respect to their skill sets.
First let us look at a point you have mentioned earlier in the discussions that you are new to the company and that you are still young in your career. The most important thing for you to change any one is to first understand everone involved.
You need to have patience and spend more of your time in understanding the organisation culture and its people. To do this you need to work with them closely before you even try to implement it. If you boss asks you to implement something dont act immediately. Ask the most important questions Why, What, How, When, Whom (not necessarily in that order).
Especially when you are a junior you need to approach the senior personnel asking them for a suggestion in tacking the problem. It is very simple to ask a senior personnel who does not wear his tag everyday how to address another senior who also does not wear a tag everyday. If nothing else guilt will make him see the bad side of his own action.
These are simple questions assumingly harmless but will help you in making more friends among the persons you want to change than writing memos. Remember seniors against whom you write sweet letters marking CC to others will hold it against you when you are in the wrong.
Use mails as the last resort until you have established yourself in the company.
I dont know if this will help you but I personally believe that sometimes you can achieve more by talking to others than writing.
Regards
Praveen
From India
Respected Senior (Prashanth )
Thank you so much for your comments and thank you so much for taking interest in my problem .I am now 1 month old in this organisation and the people I am talking about are as long as 4 yrs old in the organisation.The organisation is a mid sized It company which is into web development.
When I talked to these people the first thing that I got to know is policywise theye are getting the same kind of treatment as the freshers/juniors are getting in the sense that in our company we do not get any payslips.The senior guys they require payslips for applying credit cards ,loans etc.So the first step that I want to take is arrange for their payslips .
I guess there is much more to come
I invite your suggestions on the same
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakraborty
From India, Pune
Thank you so much for your comments and thank you so much for taking interest in my problem .I am now 1 month old in this organisation and the people I am talking about are as long as 4 yrs old in the organisation.The organisation is a mid sized It company which is into web development.
When I talked to these people the first thing that I got to know is policywise theye are getting the same kind of treatment as the freshers/juniors are getting in the sense that in our company we do not get any payslips.The senior guys they require payslips for applying credit cards ,loans etc.So the first step that I want to take is arrange for their payslips .
I guess there is much more to come
I invite your suggestions on the same
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakraborty
From India, Pune
Hi guys.....
Well i tried humour.
I kept putting Post-It on their workstation with the message written.
I use to put Post-It with a sad face on the teacup or documents which are not kept in their respective place with a message that i miss my family which are in the sink or the X drawer.
Sad face on the PC saying i was late to be switched on and all my friends laughed at me......
Try creativity...................
It worked with me....
Of course if job done,
remember to put a Smiley
Regards...
neelu
Ps- Be persistent in the diplamatic messages.
From China, Beijing
Well i tried humour.
I kept putting Post-It on their workstation with the message written.
I use to put Post-It with a sad face on the teacup or documents which are not kept in their respective place with a message that i miss my family which are in the sink or the X drawer.
Sad face on the PC saying i was late to be switched on and all my friends laughed at me......
Try creativity...................
It worked with me....
Of course if job done,
remember to put a Smiley
Regards...
neelu
Ps- Be persistent in the diplamatic messages.
From China, Beijing
[quote="neelu"]Hi guys.....
Well i tried humour.
I kept putting Post-It on their workstation with the message written.
I use to put Post-It with a sad face on the teacup or documents which are not kept in their respective place with a message that i miss my family which are in the sink or the X drawer.
Sad face on the PC saying i was late to be switched on and all my friends laughed at me......
Try creativity...................
It worked with me....
Of course if job done,
remember to put a Smiley
Regards...
neelu
Ps- Be persistent in the diplamatic messages.[/quote
Hi Neelu
Thank you for your comments .I must say you have given me a very unusual solution,I hope it works.This I beleive is a refreshing way to look at the problem
Keep postiing
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakraborty
]
From India, Pune
Well i tried humour.
I kept putting Post-It on their workstation with the message written.
I use to put Post-It with a sad face on the teacup or documents which are not kept in their respective place with a message that i miss my family which are in the sink or the X drawer.
Sad face on the PC saying i was late to be switched on and all my friends laughed at me......
Try creativity...................
It worked with me....
Of course if job done,
remember to put a Smiley
Regards...
neelu
Ps- Be persistent in the diplamatic messages.[/quote
Hi Neelu
Thank you for your comments .I must say you have given me a very unusual solution,I hope it works.This I beleive is a refreshing way to look at the problem
Keep postiing
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakraborty
]
From India, Pune
Hi Amit
Thanks for your comments.I beleive writing a mail is a good idea but then again by this time these people have become immune to mails and memos .Nevertheless its always good to get things drafted
Keep posting
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakarborty
From India, Pune
Thanks for your comments.I beleive writing a mail is a good idea but then again by this time these people have become immune to mails and memos .Nevertheless its always good to get things drafted
Keep posting
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakarborty
From India, Pune
Respected Senior (Bibhutosh)
Thank you for comments.You have rightly pointed out that the management is weak.actually they are not weak they are dependant on these senior people .I can say one thing that these seniors are good at their work and no wonder that is why they are there for so many years.Many of our fellow members have adviced me to send them strict instructions etc but then again at the end of the day I need help from them for recruitment etc so I think first I need to get accepted by them and then only try these things.
Keep posting
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakraborty
From India, Pune
Thank you for comments.You have rightly pointed out that the management is weak.actually they are not weak they are dependant on these senior people .I can say one thing that these seniors are good at their work and no wonder that is why they are there for so many years.Many of our fellow members have adviced me to send them strict instructions etc but then again at the end of the day I need help from them for recruitment etc so I think first I need to get accepted by them and then only try these things.
Keep posting
Thanks and Regards
Indrani Chakraborty
From India, Pune
Hey Indu
This situation prevails in almost all the organizations and this is where you have to use your whims to bring out the best from the worst situation. What you can do is probably make them accountable for certain things i.e give them the responsibility of inculcating discipline in their juniors. Assisgn them roles like ''Discipline-Incharge" or "Floor Manager". This will not only infuse a sense of responsibility in them but will also make them obliged.
Shipra
From India, New Delhi
This situation prevails in almost all the organizations and this is where you have to use your whims to bring out the best from the worst situation. What you can do is probably make them accountable for certain things i.e give them the responsibility of inculcating discipline in their juniors. Assisgn them roles like ''Discipline-Incharge" or "Floor Manager". This will not only infuse a sense of responsibility in them but will also make them obliged.
Shipra
From India, New Delhi
Dear Indrani,
It is common problem in almost all organisations whether small or big, Indian or MNCs. Even after making strict systems, some employees
think that they will not abide the policy of the company as they are at
senior position or they are oldest employees of the organisation.
In my opinion this problem is to be handled tactfully and you after talking to the CEO / MD of your company, give notice in writing to such employees under cc to the higher authority. In case the concerned employees do not improve their habits, then you finally talk to the higher authorities what to do and ask them straight away for the action.
Thanks
Madan Singh
From India, Delhi
It is common problem in almost all organisations whether small or big, Indian or MNCs. Even after making strict systems, some employees
think that they will not abide the policy of the company as they are at
senior position or they are oldest employees of the organisation.
In my opinion this problem is to be handled tactfully and you after talking to the CEO / MD of your company, give notice in writing to such employees under cc to the higher authority. In case the concerned employees do not improve their habits, then you finally talk to the higher authorities what to do and ask them straight away for the action.
Thanks
Madan Singh
From India, Delhi
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