Dear Mr. Pon
TPI is not always practically possible... Can you name few Indian companies they are doing this TPI for every boom modification they are doing?
In India third party inspection & certification is just so easy... If you have money in your pocket by sitting in your home, you will get that certificate...
The main thing is that we have to ensure the stability of the crane for lifting after certain configuration change... This can be check internally by a group of experts... Experts may include the Crane Engineer, Supervisor & the Rigger Crew... Go for a load test with 1.5Times the rated capacity... Lift the load and raise the same about 1meter and hold it for five to ten minutes... If it's giving satisfactory result we can go for further lifting with the crane... no need of TPI...
Even in some TPI the Competent person itself not ready for load test... just have a look and noting all the required parameters of the crane to make the certificate... So trusting upon a TPI in today's Indian Scenario for a Safe Rigging is absolutely not advisable... This is my belief...
Awaiting comments friends...
From India
711TPI is not always practically possible... Can you name few Indian companies they are doing this TPI for every boom modification they are doing?
In India third party inspection & certification is just so easy... If you have money in your pocket by sitting in your home, you will get that certificate...
The main thing is that we have to ensure the stability of the crane for lifting after certain configuration change... This can be check internally by a group of experts... Experts may include the Crane Engineer, Supervisor & the Rigger Crew... Go for a load test with 1.5Times the rated capacity... Lift the load and raise the same about 1meter and hold it for five to ten minutes... If it's giving satisfactory result we can go for further lifting with the crane... no need of TPI...
Even in some TPI the Competent person itself not ready for load test... just have a look and noting all the required parameters of the crane to make the certificate... So trusting upon a TPI in today's Indian Scenario for a Safe Rigging is absolutely not advisable... This is my belief...
Awaiting comments friends...
From India
Dear Mr. Dipil
The Government's intention to make the TPI is to give protection from lifting gears accidents. If anyone does or made fraudulent certificate by using undue influence, they are simply compromising the safety aspects and the value of the lives of their workmen.
The Government has made the BOCW Act not only with the help of legal experts but also with the help of Engineers, so that there should not be any life loss due to failure of lifting appliances, equipments, etc.
If the Government approved TPI authorities are involving in falsifying the TPI Certificate, then no one can help the workforce from their fate.
From India, Kumbakonam
The Government's intention to make the TPI is to give protection from lifting gears accidents. If anyone does or made fraudulent certificate by using undue influence, they are simply compromising the safety aspects and the value of the lives of their workmen.
The Government has made the BOCW Act not only with the help of legal experts but also with the help of Engineers, so that there should not be any life loss due to failure of lifting appliances, equipments, etc.
If the Government approved TPI authorities are involving in falsifying the TPI Certificate, then no one can help the workforce from their fate.
From India, Kumbakonam
Dear Dipil,
I think you don't have international exposure. Don't say TPI is not advisable. It is true we are not doing TPI scrupulously in India. But that does not mean we are licensed to resort unsafe practices. It is safe when you are doing Critical lift where risk factors are involved after TPI.
In west, such practices are scrupulously being followed thereby they reduce incident rates. In India we have the culture of chalta hai and we are not bothered about any fatal accidents as our population is 120 billion.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
I think you don't have international exposure. Don't say TPI is not advisable. It is true we are not doing TPI scrupulously in India. But that does not mean we are licensed to resort unsafe practices. It is safe when you are doing Critical lift where risk factors are involved after TPI.
In west, such practices are scrupulously being followed thereby they reduce incident rates. In India we have the culture of chalta hai and we are not bothered about any fatal accidents as our population is 120 billion.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
Dear Mr. Pon
Thanks for your feedback.
Our company is engaged with M/s. DuPont as a Safety Consultant from the last one year and we are having a very structured Procedure for Lifting of Loads by Cranes. I hope you may be aware about the credits of M/s. DuPont. They were not suggesting us for go behind TPI before every critical lift. But we are doing the TPI and keeping the Test Ceritifacte of Cranes and all other lifting tools and tackles to fulfill the statuatory requirement...
We have a crane champion in our plant, who is capabile of identifying all the predictable hazard in the rigging job. We have critical lift group comprising of experts from the plant who's permission required to lift any load more than 5MT. We are depending upon this critical lift group for safe rigging, not at all on the TPI. Also the concpet of Capacity Loading is also in place. SO I think we are much more ahead than what law in India demanding.
The scenario in India and abroad is quite different and we can't even compare the same.
From India
Thanks for your feedback.
Our company is engaged with M/s. DuPont as a Safety Consultant from the last one year and we are having a very structured Procedure for Lifting of Loads by Cranes. I hope you may be aware about the credits of M/s. DuPont. They were not suggesting us for go behind TPI before every critical lift. But we are doing the TPI and keeping the Test Ceritifacte of Cranes and all other lifting tools and tackles to fulfill the statuatory requirement...
We have a crane champion in our plant, who is capabile of identifying all the predictable hazard in the rigging job. We have critical lift group comprising of experts from the plant who's permission required to lift any load more than 5MT. We are depending upon this critical lift group for safe rigging, not at all on the TPI. Also the concpet of Capacity Loading is also in place. SO I think we are much more ahead than what law in India demanding.
The scenario in India and abroad is quite different and we can't even compare the same.
From India
Dear Bhaskar
Thanks a lot for your views. What I am saying is fact and I know competant persons personally... We are very strict in paying him... Demanding him for doing testing of lifting tools and tackles with the help of dynamometer (Tenso Meter)... I am sure majority of the Indian Industry were not even aware anout this...
For Pressure vessels testing by using Ultrasonic Thickness Gauge is demading by us... So as every where else, the competant person also start giving "DEMAND BASED SUPPLY"...
It's all upto the management committment...
I am attaching the photos of the testing for your info please...
From India
Thanks a lot for your views. What I am saying is fact and I know competant persons personally... We are very strict in paying him... Demanding him for doing testing of lifting tools and tackles with the help of dynamometer (Tenso Meter)... I am sure majority of the Indian Industry were not even aware anout this...
For Pressure vessels testing by using Ultrasonic Thickness Gauge is demading by us... So as every where else, the competant person also start giving "DEMAND BASED SUPPLY"...
It's all upto the management committment...
I am attaching the photos of the testing for your info please...
From India
Dear Mr. Dipil
We are also doing the TPI in our construction site with Third Party. I do not know anything technically, but here whatever I am seeing and observing in our day to day construction activities only I have shared in this thread.
These are all we should not do only for paper work purpose but we have to do for the sake of the safety of workmen engaged.
From India, Kumbakonam
We are also doing the TPI in our construction site with Third Party. I do not know anything technically, but here whatever I am seeing and observing in our day to day construction activities only I have shared in this thread.
These are all we should not do only for paper work purpose but we have to do for the sake of the safety of workmen engaged.
From India, Kumbakonam
Dear Raghuram,
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The Terex® Demag CC8800-1 TWIN is an innovative modular crane system based on the multiple utilization modules of the CC8800-1. The name TWIN refers to the impressive double boom which increases the lifting capacity of the CC8800-1 by a factor of almost four in certain configurations whilst retaining the ability to pick and carry loads at the highest capacities.
Similarly, the luffing fly jib and the superlift mast are also doubled up and connected by cross-bracings and all winches and hook blocks are provided in pairs. Nevertheless, the new crane is extremely compact for its capacity and is designed to make dismantling, movement between projects and re-assembly quick and easy.
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Ponraj
From India, Lucknow
Max. capacity of 3200 MT mobile crane is available.
To meet the increasing worldwide needs of the continually changing lifting industry, Al Jaber Heavy Lift has announced it’s ownership of the world's highest capacity mobile crane with a 3,200 ton lifting capacity. The announcement was made during an exclusive hand over ceremony in Germany where various prominent industry figures were present.
The Terex® Demag CC8800-1 TWIN is an innovative modular crane system based on the multiple utilization modules of the CC8800-1. The name TWIN refers to the impressive double boom which increases the lifting capacity of the CC8800-1 by a factor of almost four in certain configurations whilst retaining the ability to pick and carry loads at the highest capacities.
Similarly, the luffing fly jib and the superlift mast are also doubled up and connected by cross-bracings and all winches and hook blocks are provided in pairs. Nevertheless, the new crane is extremely compact for its capacity and is designed to make dismantling, movement between projects and re-assembly quick and easy.
for more : Al Jaber Heavy Lift & Transport LLC with the world's highest capacity mobile crane.
Ponraj
From India, Lucknow
Dipil,
I know Du Pont maintains highest degree of safety standards.
But again, it all depends on the requirement of the Customers/Owners. No contracting/construction companies incl. L&T have got the clear policies on HSE/Quality, albeit, they have in papers. If the Customer is very particular about Safety, they are after it. If Cust. demands Quality, they will be after it. If the Customer is after progress, the safet/quality will be bypassed. This is the state of affairs in India.
Whereas in western countries, they spend app. 9-10% of the project cost on HSE like hazop implementation, loss prevention in design stage, strict procedures on construction safety, environmental & health.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
I know Du Pont maintains highest degree of safety standards.
But again, it all depends on the requirement of the Customers/Owners. No contracting/construction companies incl. L&T have got the clear policies on HSE/Quality, albeit, they have in papers. If the Customer is very particular about Safety, they are after it. If Cust. demands Quality, they will be after it. If the Customer is after progress, the safet/quality will be bypassed. This is the state of affairs in India.
Whereas in western countries, they spend app. 9-10% of the project cost on HSE like hazop implementation, loss prevention in design stage, strict procedures on construction safety, environmental & health.
Pon
From India, Lucknow
Dear Pon & Bhaskar
I am fully agreeing with you. I know [COMPANY NAME REMOVED] site where workers are working on chappals as the client was not so concern about safety... So again the "DEMAND BASED SUPPLY" working style adopting comes... Most of the Indian Construction Companies are doing work in this manner as on today...
Whatever it may be let's try to do our best in our work place to keep accidents away... We had a very good discussion in this thread... Hope in the upcoming discussions and threads to get such type of encouraging participation...
@ Team
One more point to discuss... If a crane of 100 or 3200 Tone Capacity, can this lift 100Tone or 3200T Capacity??? If yes, in what condition??? In what combination of Crane???
From India
I am fully agreeing with you. I know [COMPANY NAME REMOVED] site where workers are working on chappals as the client was not so concern about safety... So again the "DEMAND BASED SUPPLY" working style adopting comes... Most of the Indian Construction Companies are doing work in this manner as on today...
Whatever it may be let's try to do our best in our work place to keep accidents away... We had a very good discussion in this thread... Hope in the upcoming discussions and threads to get such type of encouraging participation...
@ Team
One more point to discuss... If a crane of 100 or 3200 Tone Capacity, can this lift 100Tone or 3200T Capacity??? If yes, in what condition??? In what combination of Crane???
From India
Dear Mr. Dipil
Please refrain yourself from using the Company Name and Logo in open forum as it is damaging the company name. The same thing was discussed in your earlier post on Accident Investigating report thread. You are again defaming the company name, We are allowing some canteen people and some office sweepers means the shoes and helmets will be disturbance to their duty. You cannot insist the Toilet cleaning person to wear Safety shoes or helmet. You can use some logic. Please repeatedly I am cautioning you not to use any company name. In earlier period that company had fed your daily bread.
Please remove the company name from your thread first because you do not have any right to defame any organisation. It shows your mental condition, if you left that organisation means it is worst and if you serve in it means it is best. Please change your attitude otherwise it will be problem for you and your career growth.
Hope you can understand what I am conveying here and take it in healthy way.
From India, Kumbakonam
Please refrain yourself from using the Company Name and Logo in open forum as it is damaging the company name. The same thing was discussed in your earlier post on Accident Investigating report thread. You are again defaming the company name, We are allowing some canteen people and some office sweepers means the shoes and helmets will be disturbance to their duty. You cannot insist the Toilet cleaning person to wear Safety shoes or helmet. You can use some logic. Please repeatedly I am cautioning you not to use any company name. In earlier period that company had fed your daily bread.
Please remove the company name from your thread first because you do not have any right to defame any organisation. It shows your mental condition, if you left that organisation means it is worst and if you serve in it means it is best. Please change your attitude otherwise it will be problem for you and your career growth.
Hope you can understand what I am conveying here and take it in healthy way.
From India, Kumbakonam
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