Hello Mohan,
Vis-a-vis you line "Moreover, I have not just worked like an employee there to get an experience certificate at the end of 3 years of struggle to build the company", pl DON'T mix-up issues.
What you are looking for NOW is not recognition whether you worked here like an employee OR as a Founder.
This is a situation when you need to 'think thru the head' rather than 'thinking thru the heart'.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
1641Vis-a-vis you line "Moreover, I have not just worked like an employee there to get an experience certificate at the end of 3 years of struggle to build the company", pl DON'T mix-up issues.
What you are looking for NOW is not recognition whether you worked here like an employee OR as a Founder.
This is a situation when you need to 'think thru the head' rather than 'thinking thru the heart'.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
- Yes, I can get the bank statement but entrepreneurship didn't yield the income that I had in Oracle. So, whatever was paid was more of reimbursing some expenses to sustain without asking money from parents than to quote it as a salary. So, won't it have negative impact when I saw to future employers. In Oracle I had close to 7LPA as CTC. I would like to quote that.
- There are some documents I have with the letter heads of the company and my name being mentioned under different roles. There are certificates and appreciation letters that we handed out to our students in training programs that has my signature. Do you approve these as internal correspondence or anything else is required?
- My primary job in the entrepreneurship was TRAINING. But for IU clubs wing I did complete end-to-end operations of market outreach, sales and marketing, closing of sales, taking up sessions, conducting competitions and conventions, client relationship management (keeping in consistent contact with students and parents for discussions and feedback). Same was the case for i3 training program that I did for 6 months in Hyderabad. Along with this my primary job was also to edit all the articles before they went for publishing for our e-magazine. Also as the Lead speaker of the company I was responsible for taking up speeches when invited from different organizations.
My technical skill profile in Oracle was Business Intelligence/Datawarehousing and none in entrepreneurship (Inspiration Unlimited). So, is there something that I am missing here?
So, I just have to say that things didn't work out well between us and I moved out.
From India, Bengaluru
- There are some documents I have with the letter heads of the company and my name being mentioned under different roles. There are certificates and appreciation letters that we handed out to our students in training programs that has my signature. Do you approve these as internal correspondence or anything else is required?
- My primary job in the entrepreneurship was TRAINING. But for IU clubs wing I did complete end-to-end operations of market outreach, sales and marketing, closing of sales, taking up sessions, conducting competitions and conventions, client relationship management (keeping in consistent contact with students and parents for discussions and feedback). Same was the case for i3 training program that I did for 6 months in Hyderabad. Along with this my primary job was also to edit all the articles before they went for publishing for our e-magazine. Also as the Lead speaker of the company I was responsible for taking up speeches when invited from different organizations.
My technical skill profile in Oracle was Business Intelligence/Datawarehousing and none in entrepreneurship (Inspiration Unlimited). So, is there something that I am missing here?
So, I just have to say that things didn't work out well between us and I moved out.
From India, Bengaluru
Dear TS,
I wonder, if your assumption based reply for an on behalf of the author on my asking a question from the author was justified, that too without seeing the reply of the author on my query.! The author claims that he worked for his friend's company, where he should not have faced any difficulty in getting an experience certificate.
From India, Delhi
I wonder, if your assumption based reply for an on behalf of the author on my asking a question from the author was justified, that too without seeing the reply of the author on my query.! The author claims that he worked for his friend's company, where he should not have faced any difficulty in getting an experience certificate.
From India, Delhi
Mr. Mohan,
Your reply and assumption on behalf of the management of your friend is quite surprising! Any experience letter is not CV based, rather depends upon the performance of the employee and the period of work.
However, I am now fully convinced that your query was of hypothetical and academic nature, not for the purpose of seeking a solution to any problem you would faced any.
From India, Delhi
Your reply and assumption on behalf of the management of your friend is quite surprising! Any experience letter is not CV based, rather depends upon the performance of the employee and the period of work.
However, I am now fully convinced that your query was of hypothetical and academic nature, not for the purpose of seeking a solution to any problem you would faced any.
From India, Delhi
Hello PS Dhingra,
Vis-a-vis your remark "The author claims that he worked for his friend's company, where he should not have faced any difficulty in getting an experience certificate", you are right WHEN the assumption is that the friendship STILL EXISTS.
You seem to be fortunate in career/life not to see friendships break-off WITH A RUPTURE/SPAT. Hence, I can understand your view-point & conclusion in this issue.
Unfortunately, Mohan's experience of THIS particular friendship......and I can say that such relationships DO EXIST on this planet......has been neither fair nor good. Going by the little details about the relationship what he mentioned AND my own observations along my life path, I CAN venture to say that Mohan has been 'solidly used' by them.
That Mohan has ALLOWED it to happen for 3 yrs is HIS learning process....he always had a choice even initially to refuse.
So expecting any document when the relationship has soured.....which he has explained in the First Posting.....isn't realistic. It would just be a bonus, IF the Doc comes.
In a way, you have a point when you say "Any experience letter is not CV based, rather depends upon the performance of the employee and the period of work".
But what IF someone says "I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU ANY DOC...DO WHAT YOU WANT" or something with similar meaning?
If you think such things don't happen, suggest pl correct yourself & thank your stars that you haven't had the misfortune to have come across such situations in life--and I am NOT being sarcastic here--just plain realistic, since I know such situations can happen & have happened to many people.....one of which I already mentioned earlier in this thread.
However, I STILL WOULDN'T generalize this scenario [just because it happened to a few people doesn't mean we need to look @ every similar situation thru the same prism]......it's for this very reason that I kept asking queries to doubly ensure all of us are addressing a REAL situation rather than, like you rightly pointed out 'hypothetical and academic' situations. If no clarifications were forthcoming, I would have just switch-off myself from participating in this thread.
How other members respond/react would be their prerogative/choice I guess.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Vis-a-vis your remark "The author claims that he worked for his friend's company, where he should not have faced any difficulty in getting an experience certificate", you are right WHEN the assumption is that the friendship STILL EXISTS.
You seem to be fortunate in career/life not to see friendships break-off WITH A RUPTURE/SPAT. Hence, I can understand your view-point & conclusion in this issue.
Unfortunately, Mohan's experience of THIS particular friendship......and I can say that such relationships DO EXIST on this planet......has been neither fair nor good. Going by the little details about the relationship what he mentioned AND my own observations along my life path, I CAN venture to say that Mohan has been 'solidly used' by them.
That Mohan has ALLOWED it to happen for 3 yrs is HIS learning process....he always had a choice even initially to refuse.
So expecting any document when the relationship has soured.....which he has explained in the First Posting.....isn't realistic. It would just be a bonus, IF the Doc comes.
In a way, you have a point when you say "Any experience letter is not CV based, rather depends upon the performance of the employee and the period of work".
But what IF someone says "I JUST DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU ANY DOC...DO WHAT YOU WANT" or something with similar meaning?
If you think such things don't happen, suggest pl correct yourself & thank your stars that you haven't had the misfortune to have come across such situations in life--and I am NOT being sarcastic here--just plain realistic, since I know such situations can happen & have happened to many people.....one of which I already mentioned earlier in this thread.
However, I STILL WOULDN'T generalize this scenario [just because it happened to a few people doesn't mean we need to look @ every similar situation thru the same prism]......it's for this very reason that I kept asking queries to doubly ensure all of us are addressing a REAL situation rather than, like you rightly pointed out 'hypothetical and academic' situations. If no clarifications were forthcoming, I would have just switch-off myself from participating in this thread.
How other members respond/react would be their prerogative/choice I guess.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Thank you so much @Tajsateesh!!!!!! I don't know if I could explain in such a detail like you've done here. Thank you so much for your time and patience. However, one statement of yours has fully summarised my issue here. - "So expecting any document when the relationship has soured.....which he has explained in the First Posting.....isn't realistic. It would just be a bonus, IF the Doc comes."
I am sorry if any of my answers felt like unnecessary use of Mr. Dhingra's time. I regret the inconvenience caused unintentionally.
Let me try to make this discussion more objective-oriented than series of explanations.
Q1. After the successful completion of training program I was authorised to conduct in Hyderabad and the bitter conversation with the Director there has been no correspondence from the company for any other further work. It all stopped in July end. No expenses were reimbursed or salary issued from June month. When I repeatedly asked for reimbursement, it was only told that it will be done but never happened. So, I stopped the literal begging for asking my own money back. SO WHAT SHOULD BE MY NEXT STEP?
Q2. As per formal records, there is no document to show that Mohan BN was hired or joined the Founding team of the company. So, does it make sense to ask for an experience letter when there is no document to support the inception of my role in the company at any point of time in the past.
Q3. The Director didn't bother to connect to me to ask about my job/career after July and when one of my relatives messaged for such unfair treatment he just messaged me to meet him November first week which was 2 weeks away. Should I ask for experience letter if at all that meeting happens?
Q4. If I don't get any kind of formal proof that I have been working on field for last 3 years of struggle what precautions should I take or things I should be ready with while applying for new jobs henceforth?
Hope I have made the discussion more point based and clearer for solution providers.
From India, Bengaluru
I am sorry if any of my answers felt like unnecessary use of Mr. Dhingra's time. I regret the inconvenience caused unintentionally.
Let me try to make this discussion more objective-oriented than series of explanations.
Q1. After the successful completion of training program I was authorised to conduct in Hyderabad and the bitter conversation with the Director there has been no correspondence from the company for any other further work. It all stopped in July end. No expenses were reimbursed or salary issued from June month. When I repeatedly asked for reimbursement, it was only told that it will be done but never happened. So, I stopped the literal begging for asking my own money back. SO WHAT SHOULD BE MY NEXT STEP?
Q2. As per formal records, there is no document to show that Mohan BN was hired or joined the Founding team of the company. So, does it make sense to ask for an experience letter when there is no document to support the inception of my role in the company at any point of time in the past.
Q3. The Director didn't bother to connect to me to ask about my job/career after July and when one of my relatives messaged for such unfair treatment he just messaged me to meet him November first week which was 2 weeks away. Should I ask for experience letter if at all that meeting happens?
Q4. If I don't get any kind of formal proof that I have been working on field for last 3 years of struggle what precautions should I take or things I should be ready with while applying for new jobs henceforth?
Hope I have made the discussion more point based and clearer for solution providers.
From India, Bengaluru
Hello Mohan,
TO cut a longish story short, let me repeat what I suggested to another member today for his problem thru PMs......up to you to call it coincidence or providence........:
"I always suggest this in CiteHR: "Aim & work towards the Best-case-Scenario AND prepare mentally for the Worst-case-Scenario. That way, there won't be many surprises in life. Most often, problems come NOT due to the problems themselves, BUT due the inability of the individual accepting the factual situation & COPING with it".
This, I think, right away applies to you too.
And to answer your Q3....by all means go & meet the Director in I week of Nov AND ask him for the Docs.....don't need to beg NOR ask it as a favor. Asking him for the Docs as the fair way to close the issue formally COULD be a better way. However, I do think he will come-up with his side of the story on why the relationship soured--which I do believe would have at least some validity--but DON'T get into that trap of digging the past.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
TO cut a longish story short, let me repeat what I suggested to another member today for his problem thru PMs......up to you to call it coincidence or providence........:
"I always suggest this in CiteHR: "Aim & work towards the Best-case-Scenario AND prepare mentally for the Worst-case-Scenario. That way, there won't be many surprises in life. Most often, problems come NOT due to the problems themselves, BUT due the inability of the individual accepting the factual situation & COPING with it".
This, I think, right away applies to you too.
And to answer your Q3....by all means go & meet the Director in I week of Nov AND ask him for the Docs.....don't need to beg NOR ask it as a favor. Asking him for the Docs as the fair way to close the issue formally COULD be a better way. However, I do think he will come-up with his side of the story on why the relationship soured--which I do believe would have at least some validity--but DON'T get into that trap of digging the past.
All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Dear TS,
Your present post is also filled up with more presumptions rather than any fact to have already stated by the querist. Rather from your own presumptions, like soured relationship, the querist has fabricating his stories to unduly stretch his thread and has posted some silly questions, as if he is a child and want spoon feeding or working merely on directions from other members of this community, rather than using his own brain, for example, he questioned, "Should I ask for experience letter if at all that meeting happens," while it is a matter of commonsense that when the director has called him for discussion of his own problem, why should he not discuss the real problem? Naturally, he would not have invited him to attend the marriage ceremony of his son or his own birthday.
Also, what a sort of his silly thinking of "no proof", as if he worked merely on oral directions or did all his jobs verbally without leaving any clue on record, what he did and with what results for all the three year sof his work in the company and had been drawing salary for merely verbal activities only!
Frankly speaking, I am of the view that his postings smack merely a fabricated and hypothetical problem, with exxageration of facts, for the reason best known to him only.
From India, Delhi
Your present post is also filled up with more presumptions rather than any fact to have already stated by the querist. Rather from your own presumptions, like soured relationship, the querist has fabricating his stories to unduly stretch his thread and has posted some silly questions, as if he is a child and want spoon feeding or working merely on directions from other members of this community, rather than using his own brain, for example, he questioned, "Should I ask for experience letter if at all that meeting happens," while it is a matter of commonsense that when the director has called him for discussion of his own problem, why should he not discuss the real problem? Naturally, he would not have invited him to attend the marriage ceremony of his son or his own birthday.
Also, what a sort of his silly thinking of "no proof", as if he worked merely on oral directions or did all his jobs verbally without leaving any clue on record, what he did and with what results for all the three year sof his work in the company and had been drawing salary for merely verbal activities only!
Frankly speaking, I am of the view that his postings smack merely a fabricated and hypothetical problem, with exxageration of facts, for the reason best known to him only.
From India, Delhi
Just thought this could be useful to you & quite relevant for you Mohan.
The Viral Fever's cofounders battle it out in court against each other - The Economic Times
The story is much the same in quite a few Startups.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
The Viral Fever's cofounders battle it out in court against each other - The Economic Times
The story is much the same in quite a few Startups.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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