Dear Forum Members,
Wish you a Happy and Prosperous New Year
My friend is having 10 years of experience in HR presently as Sr. Manager HR in a Manufacturing Industry.
He served for company A about 6 years; then he moved to company B for betterment and he stayed for about 18months and the company has moved his operation to different location which was for for away(2500 km) so he unable to continue with the company then he moved to company C. Because of his situation he accept the offer for compensation which was par low than that of market. Even after seeing his performance for 8 months the Mgt not in the position to give him raise(normally this company won't consider hike other than fixed increment period) Mean while he got an offer from company D (with100% hike in CTC)and presently working there for 3 months; but due to his spouse employment he is in the desperate need of relocation? will HR and top management of repute company will consider his candidature for hiring to their company?
members are invited to give your views to help him
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
2Wish you a Happy and Prosperous New Year
My friend is having 10 years of experience in HR presently as Sr. Manager HR in a Manufacturing Industry.
He served for company A about 6 years; then he moved to company B for betterment and he stayed for about 18months and the company has moved his operation to different location which was for for away(2500 km) so he unable to continue with the company then he moved to company C. Because of his situation he accept the offer for compensation which was par low than that of market. Even after seeing his performance for 8 months the Mgt not in the position to give him raise(normally this company won't consider hike other than fixed increment period) Mean while he got an offer from company D (with100% hike in CTC)and presently working there for 3 months; but due to his spouse employment he is in the desperate need of relocation? will HR and top management of repute company will consider his candidature for hiring to their company?
members are invited to give your views to help him
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
dear...
i dont think so that changing jobs..so frequntely is any risk if the leaving period is more than a year or even more than six months..in my viwes if you jump you get the better growth oppourtunity in term of maximum exposure or in term of maxim.. gowth in monetary..
:lol:
regards,
Vandana,
Sr. HR Manager
Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
i dont think so that changing jobs..so frequntely is any risk if the leaving period is more than a year or even more than six months..in my viwes if you jump you get the better growth oppourtunity in term of maximum exposure or in term of maxim.. gowth in monetary..
:lol:
regards,
Vandana,
Sr. HR Manager
Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Dear Antony
In my opinion, the basic concern of any HR is to hire an employee who will stick to the company atleast for 3 years minimum.
This being the case, shifting companies that too in such short span will only give an impression to the HR of the companies that he is a "butterfly"
All the very best
Ram Ram
From India, Madras
In my opinion, the basic concern of any HR is to hire an employee who will stick to the company atleast for 3 years minimum.
This being the case, shifting companies that too in such short span will only give an impression to the HR of the companies that he is a "butterfly"
All the very best
Ram Ram
From India, Madras
Hi Antony,
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
In my opinion, if the candidate has a vital reason for his relocation, then his candidature would be considered.
The organization would see that the person or the candidate is shifting for a valid reason and nothing else.
Also, his current employment would substantiate his credibility and would see no point leaving the previous employer.
So, I hope it would not be a problem that too for a person with this much of experience.
All the best!!!
Regards
Elamurugu
From India, Madras
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
In my opinion, if the candidate has a vital reason for his relocation, then his candidature would be considered.
The organization would see that the person or the candidate is shifting for a valid reason and nothing else.
Also, his current employment would substantiate his credibility and would see no point leaving the previous employer.
So, I hope it would not be a problem that too for a person with this much of experience.
All the best!!!
Regards
Elamurugu
From India, Madras
He has no problems upto his nd job. 18 months is not too bad.
But the other 2 are a bit of a problem. Why did he take teh job if he knew that his wife's empl would be an issue. In any case unless the work is very bad or he is on teh verge of an emotional breakdown, i recommend he should stay with the new company for longer. But since i know his reasons are valid it may be considered.
I myself had a similar issue some time back & i have taken up a much lower paying job because my earlier organisation did not suit me. But now I plan to stick around here - salary & all - for some time. What if teh new company he joins cheats him or is unethical or worse does not follow laws & ur friend has to go to jail for non-complaince of PF. Pls tell him life can be worse (subject to it not being already worse)
All this is subject to peace of mind. If the stress is really bad, he should come up with a strong case that is not too critical of his earlier employers & keep trying. He will succeed.
But the other 2 are a bit of a problem. Why did he take teh job if he knew that his wife's empl would be an issue. In any case unless the work is very bad or he is on teh verge of an emotional breakdown, i recommend he should stay with the new company for longer. But since i know his reasons are valid it may be considered.
I myself had a similar issue some time back & i have taken up a much lower paying job because my earlier organisation did not suit me. But now I plan to stick around here - salary & all - for some time. What if teh new company he joins cheats him or is unethical or worse does not follow laws & ur friend has to go to jail for non-complaince of PF. Pls tell him life can be worse (subject to it not being already worse)
All this is subject to peace of mind. If the stress is really bad, he should come up with a strong case that is not too critical of his earlier employers & keep trying. He will succeed.
Sometimes 'tenure' seems to be become an overrated concept - especially in HR circles. Not that it is insignificant but it does not stand in isolation.
Okay recruitment, training and other costs kinds of makes it seem justifiable but then within limits doesnt the value the employee adds to the organisation during the period seem a far better measure. In an ideal world it would be great value and long tenure, but is that the former the next best option?
3 months in an org for a Senior Mgr without much debate does not give a good first impression. But when put into the right context and with enough room for explaining the circumstance guess people would understand.
Ancy
Okay recruitment, training and other costs kinds of makes it seem justifiable but then within limits doesnt the value the employee adds to the organisation during the period seem a far better measure. In an ideal world it would be great value and long tenure, but is that the former the next best option?
3 months in an org for a Senior Mgr without much debate does not give a good first impression. But when put into the right context and with enough room for explaining the circumstance guess people would understand.
Ancy
Dear Mr. Anthony,
A very happy New Year to you and your Family.
I personally have seen that people who are frequent hoppers are sometimes given preference, because of the wide range of experience they bring. The situation nowadays have found more acceptance due to the job market boom.
The problem comes with compulsive job hoppers. They are both menace as well as dangerous.
The difference between the former and latter is that the former jumps because the break he is getting would not have been possible in the present job for the next 3 to 5 years while the latter does it for the sake of jumping and money plays are very big part and not long term career growth/path and neither does the size and stature of the Company.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
A very happy New Year to you and your Family.
I personally have seen that people who are frequent hoppers are sometimes given preference, because of the wide range of experience they bring. The situation nowadays have found more acceptance due to the job market boom.
The problem comes with compulsive job hoppers. They are both menace as well as dangerous.
The difference between the former and latter is that the former jumps because the break he is getting would not have been possible in the present job for the next 3 to 5 years while the latter does it for the sake of jumping and money plays are very big part and not long term career growth/path and neither does the size and stature of the Company.
Regards,
SC
From India, Thane
Hi ALL,
In my opinion, Job Hopping with a good period in between is not bad. The time duration to stay with one company should be 2-3 years, for me good enough.
Read this article:
Mr.Gopalakrishnan succeeds Mr.Ratan Tata as Chairman of Tata Sons
Ltd.,the holding company for many of the Tata Bluechips like Tata Steel,
Tata Motors,Tata Power, Tata Chemicals, Voltas, etc., Possibly he is the
first non-Tata person to head the Tata Empire.
The below article
written by him is really interesting!
The grass isn't always greener on the other side !!
Move from one job to another, but only for the right reasons.
It's yet another day at office. As I logged on to the marketing and
advertising sites for the latest updates, as usual, I found the headlines dominated by 'who's moving from one company to another after
a short stint, and I wondered,why are so many people leaving one job for
another?
Is it passe now to work with just one company for a sufficiently long
period? Whenever I ask this question to people who leave a company, the
answers I get are: "Oh, I am getting a 200% hike in salary"; "Well, I am
jumping three levels in my designation"; "Well, they are going to send
me abroad in six months".
Then, I look around at all the people who are considered successful
today and who have reached the top - be it a media agency, an
advertising agency or a company. I find that most of these people are
the ones who have stuck to the company, ground their heels and worked
their way to the top. And, as I look around for people who changed
Their jobs constantly, I find they have stagnated at some level, in
obscurity!
In this absolutely ruthless, dynamic and competitive environment, there
are still no short cuts to success or to making money. The only thing
that continues to pay, as earlier, is loyalty and hard work. Yes, it
pays!
Sometimes, immediately, sometimes after a lot of time. But, it does pay.
Does this mean that one should stick to an organisation and wait for
that golden moment? Of course not. After a long stint, there always
>comes a time for moving in most organisations, but it is important to
move for the right reasons, rather than superficial ones, like
money,designation or an overseas trip.
Remember, no company recruits for charity. More often than not, when you
are offered an unseemly hike in salary or designation that is
disproportionate to what that company offers it current employees, there
is always unseen bait attached.
The result? You will, in the long-term, have reached exactly the same
levels or maybe lower levels than what you would have in your Current
company.
A lot of people leave an organisation because they are "unhappy". What
is this so-called-unhappiness? I have been working for donkey's years
and there has never been a day when I am not unhappy about something in
my work environment-boss, rude colleague, fussy clients etc.
Unhappiness in a workplace, to a large extent, is transient. If you look
>hard enough, there is always something to be unhappy about. But, more
importantly, do I come to work to be "happy" in the truest sense?
If I think hard, the answer is "No".
Happiness is something you find with family, friends,may be a close
circle of colleagues who have become friends.
What you come to work for is to earn, build a reputation, satisfy your
ambitions, be appreciated for your work ethics, face challenges and get
the job done. So, the next time you are tempted to move, ask yourself
why are you moving and what are you moving into?
Some questions are:
* Am I ready and capable of handling the new responsibility? If yes,
what could be the possible reasons my current company has not offered me the same responsibility?
* Who are the people who currently handle this responsibility in the
current and new company? Am I as good as the best among them?
* As the new job offer has a different profile, why have I not given the
current company the option to offer me this profile?
* Why is the new company offering me the job? Do they want me for my
skills, or is there an ulterior motive?
An honest answer to these will eventually decide where you go in your career- to the top of the pile in the long term (at the cost of short-term blips) or to become another average employee who gets lost with time In the wilderness?
"DESERVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE" -
Dr.Gopalkrishnan,
Chairman TATA Sons.
Hope you will find some answer in this article.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
In my opinion, Job Hopping with a good period in between is not bad. The time duration to stay with one company should be 2-3 years, for me good enough.
Read this article:
Mr.Gopalakrishnan succeeds Mr.Ratan Tata as Chairman of Tata Sons
Ltd.,the holding company for many of the Tata Bluechips like Tata Steel,
Tata Motors,Tata Power, Tata Chemicals, Voltas, etc., Possibly he is the
first non-Tata person to head the Tata Empire.
The below article
written by him is really interesting!
The grass isn't always greener on the other side !!
Move from one job to another, but only for the right reasons.
It's yet another day at office. As I logged on to the marketing and
advertising sites for the latest updates, as usual, I found the headlines dominated by 'who's moving from one company to another after
a short stint, and I wondered,why are so many people leaving one job for
another?
Is it passe now to work with just one company for a sufficiently long
period? Whenever I ask this question to people who leave a company, the
answers I get are: "Oh, I am getting a 200% hike in salary"; "Well, I am
jumping three levels in my designation"; "Well, they are going to send
me abroad in six months".
Then, I look around at all the people who are considered successful
today and who have reached the top - be it a media agency, an
advertising agency or a company. I find that most of these people are
the ones who have stuck to the company, ground their heels and worked
their way to the top. And, as I look around for people who changed
Their jobs constantly, I find they have stagnated at some level, in
obscurity!
In this absolutely ruthless, dynamic and competitive environment, there
are still no short cuts to success or to making money. The only thing
that continues to pay, as earlier, is loyalty and hard work. Yes, it
pays!
Sometimes, immediately, sometimes after a lot of time. But, it does pay.
Does this mean that one should stick to an organisation and wait for
that golden moment? Of course not. After a long stint, there always
>comes a time for moving in most organisations, but it is important to
move for the right reasons, rather than superficial ones, like
money,designation or an overseas trip.
Remember, no company recruits for charity. More often than not, when you
are offered an unseemly hike in salary or designation that is
disproportionate to what that company offers it current employees, there
is always unseen bait attached.
The result? You will, in the long-term, have reached exactly the same
levels or maybe lower levels than what you would have in your Current
company.
A lot of people leave an organisation because they are "unhappy". What
is this so-called-unhappiness? I have been working for donkey's years
and there has never been a day when I am not unhappy about something in
my work environment-boss, rude colleague, fussy clients etc.
Unhappiness in a workplace, to a large extent, is transient. If you look
>hard enough, there is always something to be unhappy about. But, more
importantly, do I come to work to be "happy" in the truest sense?
If I think hard, the answer is "No".
Happiness is something you find with family, friends,may be a close
circle of colleagues who have become friends.
What you come to work for is to earn, build a reputation, satisfy your
ambitions, be appreciated for your work ethics, face challenges and get
the job done. So, the next time you are tempted to move, ask yourself
why are you moving and what are you moving into?
Some questions are:
* Am I ready and capable of handling the new responsibility? If yes,
what could be the possible reasons my current company has not offered me the same responsibility?
* Who are the people who currently handle this responsibility in the
current and new company? Am I as good as the best among them?
* As the new job offer has a different profile, why have I not given the
current company the option to offer me this profile?
* Why is the new company offering me the job? Do they want me for my
skills, or is there an ulterior motive?
An honest answer to these will eventually decide where you go in your career- to the top of the pile in the long term (at the cost of short-term blips) or to become another average employee who gets lost with time In the wilderness?
"DESERVE BEFORE YOU DESIRE" -
Dr.Gopalkrishnan,
Chairman TATA Sons.
Hope you will find some answer in this article.
Cheers
Archna
From India, Delhi
Dear Friends,
Thanks for your contributions to help the fellow HR and sepcial thanks for Archana for posting Dr.Gopalakrishnan's article. I invite more comments and sugesstion from other members too......
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
Thanks for your contributions to help the fellow HR and sepcial thanks for Archana for posting Dr.Gopalakrishnan's article. I invite more comments and sugesstion from other members too......
Regards,
Antony.
From India, Madras
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