Dear Jane,
About your comment "As for your personal experience and observation, two people doing same job in same company yet not same pay because one had a better pay from previous company – throwing away all my theory & experience talk, in layman language – please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job?
This is exactly what I mean. The salary should be based on what one should deserve and as per their eligibility and not what one was getting in previous organization. But unfortunately this is not the case.
Coming to the point that "please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job?"
This is again very subjective. May be yes, may be no. I am currently working outside my native place. If i get a job at my home town in the same profile, no second thoughts I would take that job. This is just one example, depending on "conditions" people do take job where salary is less or same.
I dont intent to question your experience of 20 years. I am just putting across my point and observations. If you have not seen anything or expereienced anything doesnt means that it doesnt exist. What you have expereinced and observed might be true, just because I havent seen it doesnt means it is not true. This theory applies both ways.
About your comment "As for your personal experience and observation, two people doing same job in same company yet not same pay because one had a better pay from previous company – throwing away all my theory & experience talk, in layman language – please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job?
This is exactly what I mean. The salary should be based on what one should deserve and as per their eligibility and not what one was getting in previous organization. But unfortunately this is not the case.
Coming to the point that "please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job?"
This is again very subjective. May be yes, may be no. I am currently working outside my native place. If i get a job at my home town in the same profile, no second thoughts I would take that job. This is just one example, depending on "conditions" people do take job where salary is less or same.
I dont intent to question your experience of 20 years. I am just putting across my point and observations. If you have not seen anything or expereienced anything doesnt means that it doesnt exist. What you have expereinced and observed might be true, just because I havent seen it doesnt means it is not true. This theory applies both ways.
Thanks Mr. Vasant Nair for your response,
I am feeling little relieved, my views and voice has reached to some people and few people have heard it. I am surely very very angry and in a fit of anger I have made some exaggerations. Please try to understand reasons for my anger.
· Mr. Rajan in his post has very casually mentioned that, he has fudged his payslip to inflate his CTC from 4.7 lakhs to 7.4 lakhs with the intension of extracting higher CTC from prospective employer. He is seeking opinion from citehr members whether will there be any further verification and will he land in any problem. Moreover he is shamelessly stating that he has done his fudging job well.
In his post, neither he has felt that he has done anything wrong nor there is any feeling of guilt or remorse. Rather very casually he is asking HR Professionals ‘hey will there be any problem?’
· His query had overwhelming response and so far more than 80 citehr members have responded. But look at a response !!!! very negligible number of posters have mentioned that, this is unethical, this is a serious mistake, a crime. Rather most of the posters have accepted Rajan’s act as a very routine normal matter, and have further advised on how to come out of it, without correcting the crime. Some have further suggested that HR People are dumb and they will never know about this. In general most HR Professionals have squarely ignored regard for ethics and their accountability as HR Professional and have conveniently forgotten that fudging documents is a serious crime and they are accountable for accepting fudged documents blindly.
· Very unprofessional, casual attitude of citehr members have angered me more. Most of them seem to have forgotten that, as professionals they are accountable for their deeds. It is expected from HR Professionals that they perform their job professionally and they are neither a party nor a mute spectator to crime happening in their presence.
· Just look at the picture created by this thread !!!!! a)You can easily fool HR Professionals by submitting fudged documents b) HR Professionals anyway will not be bothered much even if they come to know that documents submitted are forged. c) Submitting forged documents is normal and routine phenomenon and chances of one getting caught are less.
Hence I thought it fit to strongly condemn the one who has done forgery and also those who have not condemned the wrong act.
· Let me reiterate that, what Rajan has committed is not a simple mistake but a serious crime and do not take it so lightly.
· I wish this forum will not become a meeting ground for people like Rajan who will educate us on how to forge documents and citehr members will advise people like Rajan on how to come out of it, if caught.
Thanks & Regards
From India, Pune
31I am feeling little relieved, my views and voice has reached to some people and few people have heard it. I am surely very very angry and in a fit of anger I have made some exaggerations. Please try to understand reasons for my anger.
· Mr. Rajan in his post has very casually mentioned that, he has fudged his payslip to inflate his CTC from 4.7 lakhs to 7.4 lakhs with the intension of extracting higher CTC from prospective employer. He is seeking opinion from citehr members whether will there be any further verification and will he land in any problem. Moreover he is shamelessly stating that he has done his fudging job well.
In his post, neither he has felt that he has done anything wrong nor there is any feeling of guilt or remorse. Rather very casually he is asking HR Professionals ‘hey will there be any problem?’
· His query had overwhelming response and so far more than 80 citehr members have responded. But look at a response !!!! very negligible number of posters have mentioned that, this is unethical, this is a serious mistake, a crime. Rather most of the posters have accepted Rajan’s act as a very routine normal matter, and have further advised on how to come out of it, without correcting the crime. Some have further suggested that HR People are dumb and they will never know about this. In general most HR Professionals have squarely ignored regard for ethics and their accountability as HR Professional and have conveniently forgotten that fudging documents is a serious crime and they are accountable for accepting fudged documents blindly.
· Very unprofessional, casual attitude of citehr members have angered me more. Most of them seem to have forgotten that, as professionals they are accountable for their deeds. It is expected from HR Professionals that they perform their job professionally and they are neither a party nor a mute spectator to crime happening in their presence.
· Just look at the picture created by this thread !!!!! a)You can easily fool HR Professionals by submitting fudged documents b) HR Professionals anyway will not be bothered much even if they come to know that documents submitted are forged. c) Submitting forged documents is normal and routine phenomenon and chances of one getting caught are less.
Hence I thought it fit to strongly condemn the one who has done forgery and also those who have not condemned the wrong act.
· Let me reiterate that, what Rajan has committed is not a simple mistake but a serious crime and do not take it so lightly.
· I wish this forum will not become a meeting ground for people like Rajan who will educate us on how to forge documents and citehr members will advise people like Rajan on how to come out of it, if caught.
Thanks & Regards
From India, Pune
Hi Friend,
This is common practice before but not now, because of Rescission and Quality of employees companies are checking each of documents that to you are saying one of the big company you are going to be join so be prepare for that. I think they may check your bank statement to tally with take home salary with current employer. If they find any false information you may be in trouble.
you better go for negotiations. this is my personal opinion choice is yours
I wish you all the best.
From India, Hyderabad
This is common practice before but not now, because of Rescission and Quality of employees companies are checking each of documents that to you are saying one of the big company you are going to be join so be prepare for that. I think they may check your bank statement to tally with take home salary with current employer. If they find any false information you may be in trouble.
you better go for negotiations. this is my personal opinion choice is yours
I wish you all the best.
From India, Hyderabad
I think, now long time passed, rajan received many mails, mostly all mails rejected his deed. let us learn a leson from those and every one of us go in true way, deand what we want / deserve, accordin to our capabiliy.
If in our luck, there ismoney no one is going to sop, if not once earned money will also go in dustbin.
I do nt know either Rajan is physical and geniun pson on this ste or h has jut writen this to know the publicviews, I wish, Rajan have not claimed any thing but just written to know our views.
From India, Pune
If in our luck, there ismoney no one is going to sop, if not once earned money will also go in dustbin.
I do nt know either Rajan is physical and geniun pson on this ste or h has jut writen this to know the publicviews, I wish, Rajan have not claimed any thing but just written to know our views.
From India, Pune
guys we should nt discuss this thread more....lets close it....i think this is unethical and wrong thing...no 1 shouldnt do this....thats it.....plz no philosphiz, no HR prescription...
From India
From India
Dear Mr. Rajan,
in this context i want to say that you should not produce fake salary slip to the employer, because in a large branded companies, they have hired a verifying agencies who verify all details from previous employer. New employer may like to scrutinise your salary details through bank statement. there are lot things before hiring of an employee. so it is advised not to do this with any employer. be honest to your profession.
thanks
ps toor
From India, Delhi
in this context i want to say that you should not produce fake salary slip to the employer, because in a large branded companies, they have hired a verifying agencies who verify all details from previous employer. New employer may like to scrutinise your salary details through bank statement. there are lot things before hiring of an employee. so it is advised not to do this with any employer. be honest to your profession.
thanks
ps toor
From India, Delhi
I appreciate your state of agnuish.
What is most alarming is that under-prepared individuals are taking up HR as their chosen vocation.
In this very forum we have had very upsetting and disrurbing threads:
1. Someone who has been working as a "Personal Manager" for five years wanted to know how he should plan his resignation. He wanted advice on this very simple transaction on which he should be advising people.
2. Someone wanted to know "What Factories Act is all about".
3. Someone wanted to know "everthing about labour Laws"
This list on such innocent queries can go on.
The idea is not to belittle people and their lack of knowledge and required awareness.
It was not funny at all when on being asked what Standing Orders are, an MBA passout responded by abruptly standing up.
The fault does not lie with the young colleagues who want to take up HR as a Career. The fault lies in the system which does not provide the aspiring individuals necessary exposure to HR learnings.
Therefore, it is imperative that as Seniors we should allow for compassion and help the struggling young ones to find their feet. In the process they will stumble and fall but then we are there to help them stand up and walk again.
I used the film "The Dirty Dozen" as an example. In the film hard core, condemned criminals are persuaded to to some very good work. Most of them died for a good noble cause.
I agree, enough has been said about this matter. Lets put a stop to this now and move forward.
Best Wishes,
Vasant Nair
PS: I am very pleased that you took my response positively. Thank You.
From India, Mumbai
What is most alarming is that under-prepared individuals are taking up HR as their chosen vocation.
In this very forum we have had very upsetting and disrurbing threads:
1. Someone who has been working as a "Personal Manager" for five years wanted to know how he should plan his resignation. He wanted advice on this very simple transaction on which he should be advising people.
2. Someone wanted to know "What Factories Act is all about".
3. Someone wanted to know "everthing about labour Laws"
This list on such innocent queries can go on.
The idea is not to belittle people and their lack of knowledge and required awareness.
It was not funny at all when on being asked what Standing Orders are, an MBA passout responded by abruptly standing up.
The fault does not lie with the young colleagues who want to take up HR as a Career. The fault lies in the system which does not provide the aspiring individuals necessary exposure to HR learnings.
Therefore, it is imperative that as Seniors we should allow for compassion and help the struggling young ones to find their feet. In the process they will stumble and fall but then we are there to help them stand up and walk again.
I used the film "The Dirty Dozen" as an example. In the film hard core, condemned criminals are persuaded to to some very good work. Most of them died for a good noble cause.
I agree, enough has been said about this matter. Lets put a stop to this now and move forward.
Best Wishes,
Vasant Nair
PS: I am very pleased that you took my response positively. Thank You.
From India, Mumbai
Mr.Rajan,
Do not worry about this.those here giving you philosophy , just ignore it. if they selected you that means you are qualified for that position and you met their requirement. and that company is capable financially to pay that much. I ask these philosopher what about those company who are not following legal law and regulation, exploit employee, find way to run from law & rule. India is full of these kind of companies. whole money is not distributed equally and proportionally.
From India, Mumbai
Do not worry about this.those here giving you philosophy , just ignore it. if they selected you that means you are qualified for that position and you met their requirement. and that company is capable financially to pay that much. I ask these philosopher what about those company who are not following legal law and regulation, exploit employee, find way to run from law & rule. India is full of these kind of companies. whole money is not distributed equally and proportionally.
From India, Mumbai
I am totally with Jane. If you get away with such cheating once you may want to do it again...it may become a habit which will surely land you in a spot of serious trouble some day. Vasant Nair
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Iam working in a company for almost a year,I voluntarily joined this company as a intern but they didn't pay me any stipend or salary but.I didn't bother, but now I want to apply to other company they are asking me to submit the payslip.I talked to my boss about that he agreed to provide me a payslip(remember they didn't pay me anything) but everybody knows that Iam a employee of that company.
From India, undefined
From India, undefined
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