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well Ryan,
as far as identity of India Rebel is concerned, we should be only concerned with the truth, which is universal and whatever the HR in this forum try not to agree, the truth will prevail.
And whatsoever you may disagree, I have not seen a single organisation wherein the employees have praised their HR, only the HR wastes time in making big big presentations, and depicting that they did this and they did that, and see that they get their regular pay rise, etc.
But if the HR truly works there should not be any need for them to just make big presentations to show what they do for employee welfare, it should automatically come from the employee YES, MY HR DEPT DOES HAVE CONCERN ABOUT MY WELFARE.
but till now no employee has ever praised their HR Dept.:wink::wink::wink:
So unless someone tells u, dont assume that you HR are contributing too much and greatly to the organisation....
From India, Pune
7well Ryan,
as far as identity of India Rebel is concerned, we should be only concerned with the truth, which is universal and whatever the HR in this forum try not to agree, the truth will prevail.
And whatsoever you may disagree, I have not seen a single organisation wherein the employees have praised their HR, only the HR wastes time in making big big presentations, and depicting that they did this and they did that, and see that they get their regular pay rise, etc.
But if the HR truly works there should not be any need for them to just make big presentations to show what they do for employee welfare, it should automatically come from the employee YES, MY HR DEPT DOES HAVE CONCERN ABOUT MY WELFARE.
but till now no employee has ever praised their HR Dept.:wink::wink::wink:
So unless someone tells u, dont assume that you HR are contributing too much and greatly to the organisation....
From India, Pune
Well, welll, My identity is "I am employee of your organization".
You know why people hide their identity on citehr. The simple reason is fear of being targetted with malicious vendetta. All of us are seasoned and need not to be told what would happen next. Get the message which should be loud and clear. HR needs to do lot of introspection.
A sickness can not be cured by ignoring it. Ryan, I value your thoughts. I have never seen or experienced any HR guy who did not have hidden agenda this or that.
Look at this, two companie's HR called me and asked money for job, Telling it is security deposit of 50 to 75k. Do you think it is ethical to ask such money.. one thing is there, these are designs made by some crappy HR with management only.
Experience with overseas HR folks have been much better and nice..
From India, Ghaziabad
You know why people hide their identity on citehr. The simple reason is fear of being targetted with malicious vendetta. All of us are seasoned and need not to be told what would happen next. Get the message which should be loud and clear. HR needs to do lot of introspection.
A sickness can not be cured by ignoring it. Ryan, I value your thoughts. I have never seen or experienced any HR guy who did not have hidden agenda this or that.
Look at this, two companie's HR called me and asked money for job, Telling it is security deposit of 50 to 75k. Do you think it is ethical to ask such money.. one thing is there, these are designs made by some crappy HR with management only.
Experience with overseas HR folks have been much better and nice..
From India, Ghaziabad
Belive it or not these are the facts and they will get easily irritated if we ask for a work. Otherwise they are okay. They prefer to work for seniors and junior staff has to face a lot of harassement.
i completely agree with shreem and other HR supporters. obviously am also a
HR and i know the complexities of this field. we are the people who have to manage from both sides from employees also and also from employees.
anyways, hope someday somebody will recognize our worth ;)
From India, Delhi
HR and i know the complexities of this field. we are the people who have to manage from both sides from employees also and also from employees.
anyways, hope someday somebody will recognize our worth ;)
From India, Delhi
Yamini and Jyoti:
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Please read my second post as well. Still if you like to defend the undefendable, you are most welcome.
https://www.citehr.com/99060-lets-fa...t2-hiring.html
If you have something to say of your own, Do some introspection. you are most welcome.
From India, Ghaziabad
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Please read my second post as well. Still if you like to defend the undefendable, you are most welcome.
https://www.citehr.com/99060-lets-fa...t2-hiring.html
If you have something to say of your own, Do some introspection. you are most welcome.
From India, Ghaziabad
Hi ,
India Rebel said "A sickness can not be cured by ignoring it. Ryan, I value your thoughts. I have never seen or experienced any HR guy who did not have hidden agenda this or that.
Look at this, two companie's HR called me and asked money for job, Telling it is security deposit of 50 to 75k. Do you think it is ethical to ask such money.. one thing is there, these are designs made by some crappy HR with management only.
Experience with overseas HR folks have been much better and nice."
You are correct that a sickness cannot be cured by ignoring it. And I don't think its ethical to ask for a so called security deposit for a job. Some time back, I found that a recruitment consultant working with my organization was asking candidates whom them placed to pay them a month's salary. This would have been in addition to what my organization was paying the consultant. I told that consultant not to do this, else we would not give them any more assignments. The consultant tried to sell this as "I groom them to meet your profile standards" - to which I questioned if the grooming could be compared with that provided by Frankfinn (which provides training to flight aviation staff) or NIIT (which provide IT training). The consultant could not answer to this and did not bother our employee - but we soon stopped giving new assignments there, since we had other things to do than get involved in these discussions.
Were you referring to a Training Bond by any chance? By the way, I dont think there are too many people on this planet who DONT have hidden agendas. Even kids have them, :icon4: so lets not point fingers only at the HR guys.
Lovebird said "And whatsoever you may disagree, I have not seen a single organisation wherein the employees have praised their HR, only the HR wastes time in making big big presentations, and depicting that they did this and they did that, and see that they get their regular pay rise, etc.
But if the HR truly works there should not be any need for them to just make big presentations to show what they do for employee welfare, it should automatically come from the employee YES, MY HR DEPT DOES HAVE CONCERN ABOUT MY WELFARE.
So unless someone tells u, dont assume that you HR are contributing too much and greatly to the organisation.."
I am not too sure, but I would consider recruiting someone like India Rebel as a contribution to the organization. Would you have reason to disagree? You are correct when you say that the best positive feedback is that which comes from external sources, rather than the person praising themselves.
Have you taken a look at the world we live in lately? If you don't really praise yourself, not many will praise you - at least not during your lifetime... eg. the person who would make violins with greatest care and concern for quality, became well known post his demise. Ask for a Stradivarius Violin and you will know the value it has today.
I am not prone to making many assumptions - though an HR role requires that assumptions and judgements are made - during recruitment or appraisals or grieviance issues. We, as HR, have to back this with facts, numbers or observable behaviour. By the way, observable is subjective - hence needs to be understood before being judged.
However, it appears that you are suffering from "white crow syndrome" - which means that just because you have not seen something with your eyes (also read as "experienced"), doesn't mean it doesn't exist. To translate further, just because you may not have seen a white crow, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hey, as far as the white crow is concerned Lovebird, YOU do not exist, though other humans possibly exist for it.
I wonder how "truth" is defined. I wonder how many would agree with the definition. And if there is disagreement, does that mean that the TRUTH ceases to exist or becomes a lie? I don't know. Can anyone answer this?
Regards
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
India Rebel said "A sickness can not be cured by ignoring it. Ryan, I value your thoughts. I have never seen or experienced any HR guy who did not have hidden agenda this or that.
Look at this, two companie's HR called me and asked money for job, Telling it is security deposit of 50 to 75k. Do you think it is ethical to ask such money.. one thing is there, these are designs made by some crappy HR with management only.
Experience with overseas HR folks have been much better and nice."
You are correct that a sickness cannot be cured by ignoring it. And I don't think its ethical to ask for a so called security deposit for a job. Some time back, I found that a recruitment consultant working with my organization was asking candidates whom them placed to pay them a month's salary. This would have been in addition to what my organization was paying the consultant. I told that consultant not to do this, else we would not give them any more assignments. The consultant tried to sell this as "I groom them to meet your profile standards" - to which I questioned if the grooming could be compared with that provided by Frankfinn (which provides training to flight aviation staff) or NIIT (which provide IT training). The consultant could not answer to this and did not bother our employee - but we soon stopped giving new assignments there, since we had other things to do than get involved in these discussions.
Were you referring to a Training Bond by any chance? By the way, I dont think there are too many people on this planet who DONT have hidden agendas. Even kids have them, :icon4: so lets not point fingers only at the HR guys.
Lovebird said "And whatsoever you may disagree, I have not seen a single organisation wherein the employees have praised their HR, only the HR wastes time in making big big presentations, and depicting that they did this and they did that, and see that they get their regular pay rise, etc.
But if the HR truly works there should not be any need for them to just make big presentations to show what they do for employee welfare, it should automatically come from the employee YES, MY HR DEPT DOES HAVE CONCERN ABOUT MY WELFARE.
So unless someone tells u, dont assume that you HR are contributing too much and greatly to the organisation.."
I am not too sure, but I would consider recruiting someone like India Rebel as a contribution to the organization. Would you have reason to disagree? You are correct when you say that the best positive feedback is that which comes from external sources, rather than the person praising themselves.
Have you taken a look at the world we live in lately? If you don't really praise yourself, not many will praise you - at least not during your lifetime... eg. the person who would make violins with greatest care and concern for quality, became well known post his demise. Ask for a Stradivarius Violin and you will know the value it has today.
I am not prone to making many assumptions - though an HR role requires that assumptions and judgements are made - during recruitment or appraisals or grieviance issues. We, as HR, have to back this with facts, numbers or observable behaviour. By the way, observable is subjective - hence needs to be understood before being judged.
However, it appears that you are suffering from "white crow syndrome" - which means that just because you have not seen something with your eyes (also read as "experienced"), doesn't mean it doesn't exist. To translate further, just because you may not have seen a white crow, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hey, as far as the white crow is concerned Lovebird, YOU do not exist, though other humans possibly exist for it.
I wonder how "truth" is defined. I wonder how many would agree with the definition. And if there is disagreement, does that mean that the TRUTH ceases to exist or becomes a lie? I don't know. Can anyone answer this?
Regards
Ryan
From India, Mumbai
Hi, I am govt servant. I dont have any experience of private companies. Now i am working in HR dept of govt department. What you can assume about us. But we people never think as wrote about HR department. Those behave with you really may not be HR professional. It may have possibility that they are relative of higher authorities and they can get job only in HR department. If company recruit these type of people then you may know how long that company will survive.
From India, Indore
From India, Indore
Hello there,
India Rebel, I do wish to congratulate citehr for giving u this platform to vent your rage.For your information HR in any organization is paid/appointed to make difficult decesions. The role itself is a tight rope walk to keep balance between employer and employee.You may not be aware how many careers have been saved /created by HR for we will never tell due to professional integirty.Your wrath is understandable as only a small fraction of HR work is visible.I suggest you join HR and work there for at least a year. Then we will talk about your experiences.You sheild employees from action,you advance careers,you give opportunities to promising people and you hardly get a Thank you. People walk away without knowing how much HR has silently contributed to them.We were told while studying HR that this is a thankless job.Whatever you do you WILL be criticized.I ahve no issues with that.
Frankly I have no complaints against you either.To watch people you recruited grow,flourish is a joy you need to experience to believe.Even if those people dont thank you.
Wishing you the best,
Pavan
Yes I am an HR professional and proud to be so.
From India, Mumbai
India Rebel, I do wish to congratulate citehr for giving u this platform to vent your rage.For your information HR in any organization is paid/appointed to make difficult decesions. The role itself is a tight rope walk to keep balance between employer and employee.You may not be aware how many careers have been saved /created by HR for we will never tell due to professional integirty.Your wrath is understandable as only a small fraction of HR work is visible.I suggest you join HR and work there for at least a year. Then we will talk about your experiences.You sheild employees from action,you advance careers,you give opportunities to promising people and you hardly get a Thank you. People walk away without knowing how much HR has silently contributed to them.We were told while studying HR that this is a thankless job.Whatever you do you WILL be criticized.I ahve no issues with that.
Frankly I have no complaints against you either.To watch people you recruited grow,flourish is a joy you need to experience to believe.Even if those people dont thank you.
Wishing you the best,
Pavan
Yes I am an HR professional and proud to be so.
From India, Mumbai
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