Hello Nikhil S. Gurjar,
To answer your query: Taj, the 'what others don't know' syndrome is different from wrong decisions... Did I misinterpret?......
The answer is BOTH YES & NO. When I say 'what others don't know', pl note that I am making an 'assumption'--I may be wrong or right...depending on how well I know the person(s) I am including into the sub-set "others". If I don't know them well [maybe just acquaintances] then the assumption I make COULD obviously be a 'wrong decision' too[since it's coming from my half-baked knowledge database], in addition to the 'ego' factor [if I didn't have any ego to begin with, I wouldn't attempt to make such assumptions at all...right?].
So what we 'are' depends a lot on the circumstances we are into at that point of time--and what we do depends on what we inhenrently 'are'.
A common analogy I use is: Everyone, right from childhood, says--always speak the truth. But how many ACTUALLY FOLLOW IT when faced with a situation where they have TWO choices: to speak a lie or bluff to get over with a inconvenient/uncomfortable situation OR speak the truth & face the consequences, whatever they might be? Or like the Master @ handling such tricky situations--Krishna--does: neither speaking a lie NOR telling the truth that puts me in trouble? The situation brings out the BEST & WORST in people--for all to see many times.
Reg your understanding of the point of Dr Ulhas: "has raised an interesting point. If the person is not making wrong decisions, you would probably call them strong views?"......... I think the meaning is different.
Another analogy to get this point right: I have very strong views about ethics in HR area. Now, if I were to ask a politician or someone who is used to dealing government officials regularly, he/she would say--I am wrong. For that person, the REFERENCE POINT/PERCEPTION is: whether the work is done or not. So if the work is done, then I am right--IRRESPECTIVE of the modus operandi adopted. But from my perspective, the REFERENCE POINT is on 'HOW' was the work done & NOT JUST ON whether the work was done or not--BOTH ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
Not sure if I conveyed the point to your satisfaction--but like I mentioned earlier, 'strong views' are essentially the base/source [which emanate from the scale/level of knowledge one has, like mentioned by others too earlier], while 'wrong decisions' are AMONG the culminations/consequences of APPLICATION of the strong views [pl note that NOT all applications end in wrong decisions].
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
1641To answer your query: Taj, the 'what others don't know' syndrome is different from wrong decisions... Did I misinterpret?......
The answer is BOTH YES & NO. When I say 'what others don't know', pl note that I am making an 'assumption'--I may be wrong or right...depending on how well I know the person(s) I am including into the sub-set "others". If I don't know them well [maybe just acquaintances] then the assumption I make COULD obviously be a 'wrong decision' too[since it's coming from my half-baked knowledge database], in addition to the 'ego' factor [if I didn't have any ego to begin with, I wouldn't attempt to make such assumptions at all...right?].
So what we 'are' depends a lot on the circumstances we are into at that point of time--and what we do depends on what we inhenrently 'are'.
A common analogy I use is: Everyone, right from childhood, says--always speak the truth. But how many ACTUALLY FOLLOW IT when faced with a situation where they have TWO choices: to speak a lie or bluff to get over with a inconvenient/uncomfortable situation OR speak the truth & face the consequences, whatever they might be? Or like the Master @ handling such tricky situations--Krishna--does: neither speaking a lie NOR telling the truth that puts me in trouble? The situation brings out the BEST & WORST in people--for all to see many times.
Reg your understanding of the point of Dr Ulhas: "has raised an interesting point. If the person is not making wrong decisions, you would probably call them strong views?"......... I think the meaning is different.
Another analogy to get this point right: I have very strong views about ethics in HR area. Now, if I were to ask a politician or someone who is used to dealing government officials regularly, he/she would say--I am wrong. For that person, the REFERENCE POINT/PERCEPTION is: whether the work is done or not. So if the work is done, then I am right--IRRESPECTIVE of the modus operandi adopted. But from my perspective, the REFERENCE POINT is on 'HOW' was the work done & NOT JUST ON whether the work was done or not--BOTH ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT.
Not sure if I conveyed the point to your satisfaction--but like I mentioned earlier, 'strong views' are essentially the base/source [which emanate from the scale/level of knowledge one has, like mentioned by others too earlier], while 'wrong decisions' are AMONG the culminations/consequences of APPLICATION of the strong views [pl note that NOT all applications end in wrong decisions].
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
A person with a strong view should be nurtured and developed in an organisation as he can make a good manager too atleast in financial terms. He can keep his flocks under control by being a bit authoritative.
As a manager, if i talk in phone, persons who work under me copy it and do the same. Hence it becomes very hard when we be friendly as people take advantage and ask for lot of favours.
So to get better productivity these people who are stubborn are required. Afterall an employer is not a non profit entity.
Srini
From India, Mumbai
As a manager, if i talk in phone, persons who work under me copy it and do the same. Hence it becomes very hard when we be friendly as people take advantage and ask for lot of favours.
So to get better productivity these people who are stubborn are required. Afterall an employer is not a non profit entity.
Srini
From India, Mumbai
I totally agree with the views of Dr Ulhas Ganu. Fantastically explained. Ego is STICKING TO WRONG DECISIONS just because OF FEAR OF HUMILIATION or PROTECTING (False) SELF ESTEEM. Anoop
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
The topic is developing in to a very interesting one, raising more pertinent questions.
The 'STRONG EXPRESSION' of the view, is a function of CONFIDENCE the person has, (to express views without fear of backlash) and LACK of STRONG EXPRESSION of his/her views goes with DIFFIDENCE (what if I am wrong & others laugh at me?).
For lawful activities, RIGHT OR WRONG is a PERCEPTION depending on the PERSON/PARTIES & HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET AFFECTED vis-a-vis benefits or loss he/she is looking at. Hence I personally feel, ONE NEEDS to DISTINGUISH 'RIGHT or WRONG' views from STRONG VIEWS.
To see it all in the light of current topic, we see
1. Almost all the participants in this discussion have expressed STRONG VIEWS on the Topic.
2. This is done without embarrassing anybody, means everybody's EGO has been RESPECTED. (ALL DISCUSSANTS HERE HAVE EGO for sure)
3. They also desired to know more from others, (HUMBLENESS), & possibly would modify or change ones view (HEALTHY ATTITUDE)
4. Moderator DOES NOT FORCE a VIEW (NON-DOGMATIC, Very Healthy Web Site)
This brings us to refer the dictionary meaning of DOGMA: Authoritative, Arrogant Assertion of unproved or unprovable principles.
That I feel comes close to difference between GARVA (meaning PROUD) as against ABHIMAAN (meaning SELF RESPECT, a good attribute) as perceived by us in our languages.
It indeed is becoming more difficult to define as THERE CANNOT BE a 'GOOD EGO or a BAD EGO'.
Thus like WATER, which has NO COLOUR of its own but Gets the Colour with which it is mixed, EGO cannot have its own COLOUR but WOULD TAKE THE COLOUR of HOW it is EXPRESSED by the INDIVIDUALS.
It would help if one can distinguish 'GOOD EGO & BAD EGO' with perfect single words.
Thanks to all & especially Nikhil for starting such a wonderful topic.
Dr Ulhas Ganu
From India, Mumbai
The 'STRONG EXPRESSION' of the view, is a function of CONFIDENCE the person has, (to express views without fear of backlash) and LACK of STRONG EXPRESSION of his/her views goes with DIFFIDENCE (what if I am wrong & others laugh at me?).
For lawful activities, RIGHT OR WRONG is a PERCEPTION depending on the PERSON/PARTIES & HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET AFFECTED vis-a-vis benefits or loss he/she is looking at. Hence I personally feel, ONE NEEDS to DISTINGUISH 'RIGHT or WRONG' views from STRONG VIEWS.
To see it all in the light of current topic, we see
1. Almost all the participants in this discussion have expressed STRONG VIEWS on the Topic.
2. This is done without embarrassing anybody, means everybody's EGO has been RESPECTED. (ALL DISCUSSANTS HERE HAVE EGO for sure)
3. They also desired to know more from others, (HUMBLENESS), & possibly would modify or change ones view (HEALTHY ATTITUDE)
4. Moderator DOES NOT FORCE a VIEW (NON-DOGMATIC, Very Healthy Web Site)
This brings us to refer the dictionary meaning of DOGMA: Authoritative, Arrogant Assertion of unproved or unprovable principles.
That I feel comes close to difference between GARVA (meaning PROUD) as against ABHIMAAN (meaning SELF RESPECT, a good attribute) as perceived by us in our languages.
It indeed is becoming more difficult to define as THERE CANNOT BE a 'GOOD EGO or a BAD EGO'.
Thus like WATER, which has NO COLOUR of its own but Gets the Colour with which it is mixed, EGO cannot have its own COLOUR but WOULD TAKE THE COLOUR of HOW it is EXPRESSED by the INDIVIDUALS.
It would help if one can distinguish 'GOOD EGO & BAD EGO' with perfect single words.
Thanks to all & especially Nikhil for starting such a wonderful topic.
Dr Ulhas Ganu
From India, Mumbai
I second saroj. aslong as person is ready to accept others views as well justify or convince his views to others. So this person is receptive in nature. A person with receptive nature cannot be termed as egoistic
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Dear All,
Its a very interesting thread, filled with knowledgeable information. I recommend this thread for STUDENTS as CASE STUDY. While respecting individual's perception level. i would like to participate to the best of my knowledge.
1) A PERSON WITH STRONG VIEWS - if views are GENUINE, BASED ON HONESTY, FACT, TRUTH, then that wise person cannot be considered as EGOIST unless he is open for DISCUSSIONS, should believe in convincing individuals where he may take support of examples, etc., but, should neither ARGUE or PROMOTE ARGUMENTS.
2) A WISE PERSON will try to withdraw his presence if, opponents/audience arguments are baseless, trying to deviate from the topic or there may be chances for exchanging INFORMAL VIEWS/HEATED DISCUSSIONS then, HE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS EGOIST.
TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN EGOISTIC AND NON EGOISTIC PERSON - ACID TEST
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EGOISTIC PERSON
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EGO is a MINDSET(state of mind) and also known as an ATTITUDE - MENTAL PROCESS but, when it takes a PHYSICAL SHAPE, you can see people getting angry, shouting at others, arguing, loosing self-control....At times EGOISTIC PEOPLE DO SUPPORT WRONG DECISIONS.
The best friend of EGO is ANGER, SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, PROUD of KNOWLEDGE/WEALTH/EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS/ACHIEVEMENTS and SELFISHNESS.
NON-EGOISTIC PERSON
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To my knowledge i consider him as a WISE MAN. Having total SELF-CONTROL. will never promote WRONG DECISIONS nor participates in such debates. He'll try his best to converse, convey and communicate effectively. If he finds things getting out of control, he may compromise wisely or quit wisely and he may also allow his opponents to win because he knew that he is not going to lose anything.
STRONG VIEWS cannot be based on SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, PROUD, REFLECTING ANGER.
VIEWS ARE VIEWS whether they are STRONG, AUTHENTIC/GENUINE, LESS-KNOWLEDGEABLE, BASELESS but again when one perceives written information, if not addressed politely, we consider and conclude that, respondent as EGOISTIC. Also, it may be one of the factors, but it cannot be taken for granted all the time.
Its better, one always remain DOWN TO EARTH, POLITE to avoid EGO and its associated factors affecting our ATTITUDE/BEHAVIOUR closely and deeply associated with our CHARACTER..
The one who gains total control on ANGER can never be an EGOISTIC PERSON.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Its a very interesting thread, filled with knowledgeable information. I recommend this thread for STUDENTS as CASE STUDY. While respecting individual's perception level. i would like to participate to the best of my knowledge.
1) A PERSON WITH STRONG VIEWS - if views are GENUINE, BASED ON HONESTY, FACT, TRUTH, then that wise person cannot be considered as EGOIST unless he is open for DISCUSSIONS, should believe in convincing individuals where he may take support of examples, etc., but, should neither ARGUE or PROMOTE ARGUMENTS.
2) A WISE PERSON will try to withdraw his presence if, opponents/audience arguments are baseless, trying to deviate from the topic or there may be chances for exchanging INFORMAL VIEWS/HEATED DISCUSSIONS then, HE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS EGOIST.
TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN EGOISTIC AND NON EGOISTIC PERSON - ACID TEST
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
EGOISTIC PERSON
-----------------
EGO is a MINDSET(state of mind) and also known as an ATTITUDE - MENTAL PROCESS but, when it takes a PHYSICAL SHAPE, you can see people getting angry, shouting at others, arguing, loosing self-control....At times EGOISTIC PEOPLE DO SUPPORT WRONG DECISIONS.
The best friend of EGO is ANGER, SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, PROUD of KNOWLEDGE/WEALTH/EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS/ACHIEVEMENTS and SELFISHNESS.
NON-EGOISTIC PERSON
----------------------
To my knowledge i consider him as a WISE MAN. Having total SELF-CONTROL. will never promote WRONG DECISIONS nor participates in such debates. He'll try his best to converse, convey and communicate effectively. If he finds things getting out of control, he may compromise wisely or quit wisely and he may also allow his opponents to win because he knew that he is not going to lose anything.
STRONG VIEWS cannot be based on SUPERIORITY COMPLEX, PROUD, REFLECTING ANGER.
VIEWS ARE VIEWS whether they are STRONG, AUTHENTIC/GENUINE, LESS-KNOWLEDGEABLE, BASELESS but again when one perceives written information, if not addressed politely, we consider and conclude that, respondent as EGOISTIC. Also, it may be one of the factors, but it cannot be taken for granted all the time.
Its better, one always remain DOWN TO EARTH, POLITE to avoid EGO and its associated factors affecting our ATTITUDE/BEHAVIOUR closely and deeply associated with our CHARACTER..
The one who gains total control on ANGER can never be an EGOISTIC PERSON.
With profound regards
From India, Chennai
Well I feel ego is cognitive and strong view is based on aquired knowledge. how it is used is personal. capt sivva
From India, Madras
From India, Madras
Hi Seniors, Experts and Readers
I enjoied this discusion very much, this two aspects are very dominant in our lives. A person with Strong views is often presented as Egoistic, explanations given here are very enlighting.
I have seen and experienced blunderous decisions people made sheerly out of ego and to protect thier pride, Ego is a Silent social evil.
I m not an expert in this case study. I m enjoying the knowledge shared by wonderful people here.
Hussain
From Kuwait, Salmiya
I enjoied this discusion very much, this two aspects are very dominant in our lives. A person with Strong views is often presented as Egoistic, explanations given here are very enlighting.
I have seen and experienced blunderous decisions people made sheerly out of ego and to protect thier pride, Ego is a Silent social evil.
I m not an expert in this case study. I m enjoying the knowledge shared by wonderful people here.
Hussain
From Kuwait, Salmiya
Hello Hussain Zulfikar,
That's what CiteHR is all about--sharing just for the reason of sharing, without any expectations. Isn't it?
Enjoy yourself--while at the same time, gaining & learning from others' mistakes/experiences.
There's a Quote:The wise learn from others' experiences, while the fools don't even learn from their's.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
That's what CiteHR is all about--sharing just for the reason of sharing, without any expectations. Isn't it?
Enjoy yourself--while at the same time, gaining & learning from others' mistakes/experiences.
There's a Quote:The wise learn from others' experiences, while the fools don't even learn from their's.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Helllo
Quite an interesting reading....from an HR perspective....if ur strong views are pushed causing no harm to other stakeholders then well we need to take it a strong acceptable view...someone needs to put a foot down somewhere or lse in this "let me please everyone" psyche, decisions tend to suffer...if u r opushing ur string views despite knowing that certain people will be rubbed wrong way without being deserving of such an act.......well EGO comes into picture...
From India, Mangaluru
Quite an interesting reading....from an HR perspective....if ur strong views are pushed causing no harm to other stakeholders then well we need to take it a strong acceptable view...someone needs to put a foot down somewhere or lse in this "let me please everyone" psyche, decisions tend to suffer...if u r opushing ur string views despite knowing that certain people will be rubbed wrong way without being deserving of such an act.......well EGO comes into picture...
From India, Mangaluru
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