Dear all,
Pls let me know me know how to deal with HR Manager who thinks Ex. HR is his PA,
I am working in an Institute as HR ex. He work from home, he wants to keep me separate from all senior management from chairman also. My reporting to HR Manager only I send mail to him only regarding anything. My manager says do my work only dont give any info to anyone nt even to chairman.
some time I feel I am not HR Ex. I am his PA. According to him I am not allowed to take any work directly from Director & anyone even that works related to our Dept.
I dont know whether its correct or incorrect.
From India, Pune
Pls let me know me know how to deal with HR Manager who thinks Ex. HR is his PA,
I am working in an Institute as HR ex. He work from home, he wants to keep me separate from all senior management from chairman also. My reporting to HR Manager only I send mail to him only regarding anything. My manager says do my work only dont give any info to anyone nt even to chairman.
some time I feel I am not HR Ex. I am his PA. According to him I am not allowed to take any work directly from Director & anyone even that works related to our Dept.
I dont know whether its correct or incorrect.
From India, Pune
Dear Singhreeya,
Has the organisation chart in your organisation has been made? If yes then where you stand? Are you parallel to him or level below him? If latter then since you are his direct report then for you flow of command should come from only one source. In present case it is HR Manager.
Are you MBA? If yes, then I recommend you referring Henry Fayol's 14 Principles of Management. Principle number 4 is on "Unity of command". It says "every employee should receive orders from only one superior." Right now that is what is happening. So why you bear chip on your shoulder?
If you start dealing with Chairman or any other authority, then you would be bypassing your immediate superior. Suppose in future your subordinate does the same thing, then what would be your reaction? Will you not feel that you are sidelined?
Rather than feeling sidelined, I recommend you concentrating on measures of your performance and excel in each. That will could help you more in growing in your career.
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
7736Has the organisation chart in your organisation has been made? If yes then where you stand? Are you parallel to him or level below him? If latter then since you are his direct report then for you flow of command should come from only one source. In present case it is HR Manager.
Are you MBA? If yes, then I recommend you referring Henry Fayol's 14 Principles of Management. Principle number 4 is on "Unity of command". It says "every employee should receive orders from only one superior." Right now that is what is happening. So why you bear chip on your shoulder?
If you start dealing with Chairman or any other authority, then you would be bypassing your immediate superior. Suppose in future your subordinate does the same thing, then what would be your reaction? Will you not feel that you are sidelined?
Rather than feeling sidelined, I recommend you concentrating on measures of your performance and excel in each. That will could help you more in growing in your career.
Thanks,
Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
Dear Dinesh
Thanks for your comments.
I had seen the thread earlier, but had refrained from responding for mainly two reasons :
1. The member has not given her experience.
If she is a Fresher, then the guidelines given by her Manager stands; as her inexperience may come in the way of her interaction with seniors, or she may not be able to handle queries or face situations on her own.
2. The first sentence, which forms the base or reason for the thread is quite subjective :
"Pls let me know me know how to deal with HR Manager who thinks Ex. HR is his PA,"
Here, what the HR Manager THINKS has not been substantiated. Nowhere is an statement that supports the view of what the HR Manager THINKS.
For all one knows, it can just be a figment of one's imagination. Although the interactions point to the autocratic and authoritative nature of the boss, who does not delegate easily; but such behaviour may have its own mitigating reasons or circumstances. From these, it is not possible to draw a definite conclusion as made above.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Thanks for your comments.
I had seen the thread earlier, but had refrained from responding for mainly two reasons :
1. The member has not given her experience.
If she is a Fresher, then the guidelines given by her Manager stands; as her inexperience may come in the way of her interaction with seniors, or she may not be able to handle queries or face situations on her own.
2. The first sentence, which forms the base or reason for the thread is quite subjective :
"Pls let me know me know how to deal with HR Manager who thinks Ex. HR is his PA,"
Here, what the HR Manager THINKS has not been substantiated. Nowhere is an statement that supports the view of what the HR Manager THINKS.
For all one knows, it can just be a figment of one's imagination. Although the interactions point to the autocratic and authoritative nature of the boss, who does not delegate easily; but such behaviour may have its own mitigating reasons or circumstances. From these, it is not possible to draw a definite conclusion as made above.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Dear Singreeya,
Same here. Data insufficient to give proper in-puts. I couldn't agree more with the response of Mr. Raj Kumar Hasdah. While he has gone on to ask whether you are a fresher, I'd go one step further in even asking you if you have any formal education of HR. I ask this because you I am sure are qualified – cold be a graduate/PG/M.Phil. Or even a Ph.D., which again could be on any other subject. Having said this I must state that some Managers, do suffer from insecurities, hence they would keep a strong hold on the information that they want to share even if it is with the top bosses. There are cases of Managers of this sort in family promoted companies which are still far away from professional management.
Should you need members of CITEHR to respond to your query, providing the data or complete in-puts on the query, would lead to some good professional advice. This has been the bane of most queries that we have been seeing on this forum.
To get the best solution for any issue is the right problem statement backed with relevant data.
Dear Singhreeya,
Advice apart, I'd like to draw your attention to one issue that I read in 2012, which throw some more light as to where all listening to reporting to a boss can lead to, unless one decides to put an end to this sordid story. : my new boss treats me like her personal assistant
From India, Hyderabad
Same here. Data insufficient to give proper in-puts. I couldn't agree more with the response of Mr. Raj Kumar Hasdah. While he has gone on to ask whether you are a fresher, I'd go one step further in even asking you if you have any formal education of HR. I ask this because you I am sure are qualified – cold be a graduate/PG/M.Phil. Or even a Ph.D., which again could be on any other subject. Having said this I must state that some Managers, do suffer from insecurities, hence they would keep a strong hold on the information that they want to share even if it is with the top bosses. There are cases of Managers of this sort in family promoted companies which are still far away from professional management.
Should you need members of CITEHR to respond to your query, providing the data or complete in-puts on the query, would lead to some good professional advice. This has been the bane of most queries that we have been seeing on this forum.
To get the best solution for any issue is the right problem statement backed with relevant data.
Dear Singhreeya,
Advice apart, I'd like to draw your attention to one issue that I read in 2012, which throw some more light as to where all listening to reporting to a boss can lead to, unless one decides to put an end to this sordid story. : my new boss treats me like her personal assistant
From India, Hyderabad
Mr Dinesh is absolutely right......you have to follow the instructions given by your immediate boss.... another point I must mention.......No body can guide you how to face this situation......It is you and your presence of mind only can guide you to handle these situation as and when required......Also I must say that you are lucky that your boss is working from home and you are dealing the department independently .......By this process , I am sure you will grow more and your future will shine within one year time ......just remember this post that time.....All the best
From India, Kolkata
From India, Kolkata
see there can be 3 possibilities ...
1 Might be you are a fresher so he does not want to end up in any kind of mess..
solution-hain some experience and trust factor
2 Feeling of insecurity--if your performance is good might be there is a possibilities that your boss does might think that if the chair man comes to know they might side line him and he always wants to be goody manager in the eyes of his chair man..
solutiobn -gain some trust factor and dont miss a single chance to high light your self in the eyes of your chair man(direclty or indirectly)
3 -Dictorial leadership style--youyr boss always wants to domninate you
solution -leave the company if you are not comfortable or face the situation cooly and confidently....
From India, Noida
1 Might be you are a fresher so he does not want to end up in any kind of mess..
solution-hain some experience and trust factor
2 Feeling of insecurity--if your performance is good might be there is a possibilities that your boss does might think that if the chair man comes to know they might side line him and he always wants to be goody manager in the eyes of his chair man..
solutiobn -gain some trust factor and dont miss a single chance to high light your self in the eyes of your chair man(direclty or indirectly)
3 -Dictorial leadership style--youyr boss always wants to domninate you
solution -leave the company if you are not comfortable or face the situation cooly and confidently....
From India, Noida
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