Dear Seniors,
I have a very different problem to discuss and request you to provide a valuable solution on the same.
My director is a chain smoker and despite so many requests he smokes in the office premises which create a very unprofessional ambiance. We have a company Policy signed (by him) saying that smoking is STRICTLY PROHIBITED within the office premises. If an employee does so, he/she will be punished.
Now my query is that what punishment can be given to the Director/owner of the company? Are the rules made for employees only? Do we have any rules & regulations for employer also?
I realy do not understand how to derive upon solution. Please suggest.
Regards,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
2I have a very different problem to discuss and request you to provide a valuable solution on the same.
My director is a chain smoker and despite so many requests he smokes in the office premises which create a very unprofessional ambiance. We have a company Policy signed (by him) saying that smoking is STRICTLY PROHIBITED within the office premises. If an employee does so, he/she will be punished.
Now my query is that what punishment can be given to the Director/owner of the company? Are the rules made for employees only? Do we have any rules & regulations for employer also?
I realy do not understand how to derive upon solution. Please suggest.
Regards,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
Whether this is your complaint or it is the complaint of all employees. If it is the complaint of all employees and if your are the HR head you can represent the case in front of your boss in a mild way on behalf of the employees. If you are not a HR guy you can present it in front of the HR.
Last but not the least if it is your complaint and no other employees have a problem then its better to adjust with him till you get a good job. Since he is the Owner he will make decisions according to his choice and the policy will be amended accordingly. There is a good saying "Boss is always right because he is the boss" and if the Boss is wrong then also you have to follow him since he is the Boss. As such you cannot ask your boss to get out of his cabin instead you come out of his cabin. Whenever he ask you the reason for going out of his cabin you can say that you are allergic to smoking and gradually he make quit smoking in the office/Public Area
Hope this will solve your query
From India, Ahmadabad
Last but not the least if it is your complaint and no other employees have a problem then its better to adjust with him till you get a good job. Since he is the Owner he will make decisions according to his choice and the policy will be amended accordingly. There is a good saying "Boss is always right because he is the boss" and if the Boss is wrong then also you have to follow him since he is the Boss. As such you cannot ask your boss to get out of his cabin instead you come out of his cabin. Whenever he ask you the reason for going out of his cabin you can say that you are allergic to smoking and gradually he make quit smoking in the office/Public Area
Hope this will solve your query
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Saji,
Thaks for the reply.
I am working as AM-HR and heading the HR dept and reporting directly to the Directors.
The issue I had discussed is actually a complaint which I get occasionaly from my employees. I have requested my director before about the same and explained him the problems which we generally phase. He also assured me that he will not repeat it but... as you said HE IS THE BOSS.
I really love my job here and do not want to move anywhere else.
Regards,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
Thaks for the reply.
I am working as AM-HR and heading the HR dept and reporting directly to the Directors.
The issue I had discussed is actually a complaint which I get occasionaly from my employees. I have requested my director before about the same and explained him the problems which we generally phase. He also assured me that he will not repeat it but... as you said HE IS THE BOSS.
I really love my job here and do not want to move anywhere else.
Regards,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
I don’t know whether it works but ask each employee to wear a mask whenever they meet your Boss and Stick NO SMOKING bills every where. Maybe he feel guilty and stop smoking
From India, Ahmadabad
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Smriti,
Pls Make the employees under stand the same point that If They really love working with such a very good company it does not matter to them and no one will come forward to give a written / complaint and more over
From India, Vijayawada
Pls Make the employees under stand the same point that If They really love working with such a very good company it does not matter to them and no one will come forward to give a written / complaint and more over
From India, Vijayawada
Dear Smriti,
Some have given you some good ideas. So, let me ask a couple of question to get a clearer picture of the scenario. How large is the organization and is the Director that smokes a major shareholder/partner? Does he report to anyone else or is he the TOP man?
From United Kingdom
Some have given you some good ideas. So, let me ask a couple of question to get a clearer picture of the scenario. How large is the organization and is the Director that smokes a major shareholder/partner? Does he report to anyone else or is he the TOP man?
From United Kingdom
Dear Simhan,
We have around 40 employees and we have 2 directors. One is silent director and the other (who smokes) is main person in the company as he takes most of the decision and also is solely involved in the operation of the company. He does not have anyone superior to him, he is indeed the "TOP MAN".
Here I would like to share something with all of you. When he was smoking in common area I went and closed the door on his face (I think he felt that he was at fault and atleast I can not take it). Later, to my surprise, he wanted to inquire certain things with me (random queries, may be top check my temprament) to which I did not give him a detail answer (to make sure he get what is running in my head). After that I saw him smoking on next floor. Now, here the problem remains the same only the location of crime changes. :)
The thing is if I take any action against him (may be by wearing mask), his sentiments might get hurt and the results will surely not be positive. Besides I want to make him understand the problem rather than making him feel guilty (as nobody can make anyone feel guilty, it is the inner feeling a person has).
Please advise,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
We have around 40 employees and we have 2 directors. One is silent director and the other (who smokes) is main person in the company as he takes most of the decision and also is solely involved in the operation of the company. He does not have anyone superior to him, he is indeed the "TOP MAN".
Here I would like to share something with all of you. When he was smoking in common area I went and closed the door on his face (I think he felt that he was at fault and atleast I can not take it). Later, to my surprise, he wanted to inquire certain things with me (random queries, may be top check my temprament) to which I did not give him a detail answer (to make sure he get what is running in my head). After that I saw him smoking on next floor. Now, here the problem remains the same only the location of crime changes. :)
The thing is if I take any action against him (may be by wearing mask), his sentiments might get hurt and the results will surely not be positive. Besides I want to make him understand the problem rather than making him feel guilty (as nobody can make anyone feel guilty, it is the inner feeling a person has).
Please advise,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
Thanks Smriti for the details. It is always prudent to give all the details at the outset, as it helps experts to give suggestions based on full facts. Are there other smokers among the staff and, if so, what do they do? Do they go out of the building to smoke or is there a smoke room?
This reminds of a story told by my father. It seems during the time British ruled India, one of the British manager was in the habit of putting his feet up on the table while talking to people. Once, one of his new subordinates put his feet up on the table when the boss walked in and started to talk. The boss called him and asked him "Why did you put your feet on the table? Do you not know that it is rude?" To which the subordinate replied, "Sir, I was only copying you. I thought that was good manners. My father had told me that we should always copy English Gentlemen, as they set the standard for politeness and are well mannered." To that the boss had no answer and desisted from doing it from then on.
May be you could quote this to the director and say that if a worker copied him and smoked at work, it would not be easy to take action and discipline the worker.
From United Kingdom
This reminds of a story told by my father. It seems during the time British ruled India, one of the British manager was in the habit of putting his feet up on the table while talking to people. Once, one of his new subordinates put his feet up on the table when the boss walked in and started to talk. The boss called him and asked him "Why did you put your feet on the table? Do you not know that it is rude?" To which the subordinate replied, "Sir, I was only copying you. I thought that was good manners. My father had told me that we should always copy English Gentlemen, as they set the standard for politeness and are well mannered." To that the boss had no answer and desisted from doing it from then on.
May be you could quote this to the director and say that if a worker copied him and smoked at work, it would not be easy to take action and discipline the worker.
From United Kingdom
You mean to say that employees has to smoke to teach his superior/Boss a lesson for which I don't agree. But yes you can quote that it will be difficult to take appropriate action against any employee if they smoke in office
From India, Ahmadabad
From India, Ahmadabad
Dear Simhan,
We do have other smokers in our organization, but since I have introduced this policy of "NO SMOKING WITHIN OFFICE PREMISES" they make a point to go out and smoke. They understand the problem and co-operate. Also, I had discussed with my director that if he smokes in the premises then others may also start doing the same. For which he answers, I won't repeat.
Regards,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
We do have other smokers in our organization, but since I have introduced this policy of "NO SMOKING WITHIN OFFICE PREMISES" they make a point to go out and smoke. They understand the problem and co-operate. Also, I had discussed with my director that if he smokes in the premises then others may also start doing the same. For which he answers, I won't repeat.
Regards,
Smriti
From India, Chicalim
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