Dear Members,
I have been working for this firm past 16 years & got transferred from HO to Factory site 5 years back, I was been told my holiday list & 2nd -4th saturday holiday will be as per HO (15 days holiday) & here in Plant it is (14days) anyways initially everything was smooth & now they have changed my holiday list as per Factory site, now the issue is here it is 6 days a week & holiday list is prepared as per unit heads choice, if there is an occasion on 2nd or 4th Saturday it is considered likewise, where I lose one or two public holidays, isn\'t it Injustice,it is only me who is deprived of all the given public holidays, in a year I lose one or 2. Firstly they lack in commitment & are not ready to compensate, else they say you follow as per Factory rule work 6 days a week. what do I do, in a fix??? Can I approach Labour commissioner??? or anyone who has come across such an issue.
From India, Mumbai
2I have been working for this firm past 16 years & got transferred from HO to Factory site 5 years back, I was been told my holiday list & 2nd -4th saturday holiday will be as per HO (15 days holiday) & here in Plant it is (14days) anyways initially everything was smooth & now they have changed my holiday list as per Factory site, now the issue is here it is 6 days a week & holiday list is prepared as per unit heads choice, if there is an occasion on 2nd or 4th Saturday it is considered likewise, where I lose one or two public holidays, isn\'t it Injustice,it is only me who is deprived of all the given public holidays, in a year I lose one or 2. Firstly they lack in commitment & are not ready to compensate, else they say you follow as per Factory rule work 6 days a week. what do I do, in a fix??? Can I approach Labour commissioner??? or anyone who has come across such an issue.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Shubhs,
At times we become so self centric that we over-look the actual possibilities. I am sure that when you are transferred to Factory there would be some financial benefit the company would have extended. Also, the tenure of your association with the company shows that it is a good place to work at. Just for a day or two why do you want to spoil your this long association with the company.
Say you had been working at HO and the National or Festive holiday falls on 2nd or 4th saturday. In that case too will you do this?? How do you expect company to form different policies for individual employee. You need to accept the change and adjust with the current scenario.
You can always talk with your Boss or Director if he on personal level can do something but I would never suggest you to visit a Labour Commissioner.
Well, the decision is yours.
Regards,
Hiral
From India, Ahmedabad
At times we become so self centric that we over-look the actual possibilities. I am sure that when you are transferred to Factory there would be some financial benefit the company would have extended. Also, the tenure of your association with the company shows that it is a good place to work at. Just for a day or two why do you want to spoil your this long association with the company.
Say you had been working at HO and the National or Festive holiday falls on 2nd or 4th saturday. In that case too will you do this?? How do you expect company to form different policies for individual employee. You need to accept the change and adjust with the current scenario.
You can always talk with your Boss or Director if he on personal level can do something but I would never suggest you to visit a Labour Commissioner.
Well, the decision is yours.
Regards,
Hiral
From India, Ahmedabad
Dear Shubhs,
At the time of joining you might have received an offer letter saying, the company reserves the right to send you on deputation/transfer/assignment to any of the company’s branch offices in India or abroad. Accordingly, if you were deputed for some period (i.e 1 to 2 months) for some reason by not transfering you, the head office terms and conditions are applicable. But, if you were transferred to the factory site and you are in their roles, in that case you have to obey the rules followed at the site.
My advise is not to make the issue complicate. Discuss with your management about this, as you are serving for such a long period they might find some other way to satisfy you. It is the discretion of the management whether to favor you are not. If you receive negative result also don't get upset and continue your service.
Regards
Ramesh Vuriti
From India, Hyderabad
At the time of joining you might have received an offer letter saying, the company reserves the right to send you on deputation/transfer/assignment to any of the company’s branch offices in India or abroad. Accordingly, if you were deputed for some period (i.e 1 to 2 months) for some reason by not transfering you, the head office terms and conditions are applicable. But, if you were transferred to the factory site and you are in their roles, in that case you have to obey the rules followed at the site.
My advise is not to make the issue complicate. Discuss with your management about this, as you are serving for such a long period they might find some other way to satisfy you. It is the discretion of the management whether to favor you are not. If you receive negative result also don't get upset and continue your service.
Regards
Ramesh Vuriti
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Mr Shubh;
Both the members have given absolutely appropriate advise taking various aspects of your career from the point of view of HR. Holidays or leave should never be an issue to someone who has spent more than 2 decades for some reasons.
There are millions of employees who are toiling with 10 to 12 hours work in a day and still not confirmed of their services even after years of service. Therefore do not allow such a trivial or insignificant things to take over your wisdom and jeoparadise your career. Mind you career is a journey and we all need to cross milestones on our way.
all the best.
V. Rangarajan.
From India, Pune
Both the members have given absolutely appropriate advise taking various aspects of your career from the point of view of HR. Holidays or leave should never be an issue to someone who has spent more than 2 decades for some reasons.
There are millions of employees who are toiling with 10 to 12 hours work in a day and still not confirmed of their services even after years of service. Therefore do not allow such a trivial or insignificant things to take over your wisdom and jeoparadise your career. Mind you career is a journey and we all need to cross milestones on our way.
all the best.
V. Rangarajan.
From India, Pune
Dear Shubh
Please check your offer of employment issued to you. There may be some clause about the working hours / holiday policy. In that it will be mentioned, that you will be eligible for holiday as adopted by your work location and you will adhere the working hours as per your work location.
Hence you cannot claim anything and if you claim or complain against this then your life in that organisation will be miserable and you cannot win the case also.
From India, Kumbakonam
Please check your offer of employment issued to you. There may be some clause about the working hours / holiday policy. In that it will be mentioned, that you will be eligible for holiday as adopted by your work location and you will adhere the working hours as per your work location.
Hence you cannot claim anything and if you claim or complain against this then your life in that organisation will be miserable and you cannot win the case also.
From India, Kumbakonam
Dear Subhs,
You have genuine reasons to grumble, but you would appreciate that our jobs are subject to transfers. It would have been clearly mentioned in your employment /appointment letter that your services can be transferred from one branch to another /one factory to another /from factory /branch to HO and vice versa. Every factory /branch office etc. is having different set of rules /benefits and is based upon local conditions. Just to elicit further, I would like to tell you that I have worked with some of the best known multi locational MNCs known for their best HR practices and every plant had their own leave /holidays (in South India, they would have diffrent holidays as per their local cultural and religious beliefs and customs). We also used to have many inter plant transfers and also people transferred from HO to plant and vice versa. Naturally, the tranferred employee will observe the service conditions as per his current location.
There cannot be two set of rules in a plant for two different set of employees (barring blue collar employees as they are guided by the laws as enacted by the government or by Long Term Settlements which determine their service conditions), where one set of employees (transferred from HO) is availing leave /holidays as per HO guideleines and another set of employees availing leave as per factory's guidelines. This type of double standards will create a lot of ambiguity and a lot dissatisfaction in other employees. There has to be uniformity of standards in the set up.
Most importantly, Labour Commissioner will not be able to help you in this matter, on the contrary you will earn the wrath of your Management as you will lose the goodwill, something which you have earned in the period spanning almost a couple of decades.
I feel,you must accept it as a part of game where sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Good luck and enjoy.
Regards,
Rakesh
From India, Gurgaon
You have genuine reasons to grumble, but you would appreciate that our jobs are subject to transfers. It would have been clearly mentioned in your employment /appointment letter that your services can be transferred from one branch to another /one factory to another /from factory /branch to HO and vice versa. Every factory /branch office etc. is having different set of rules /benefits and is based upon local conditions. Just to elicit further, I would like to tell you that I have worked with some of the best known multi locational MNCs known for their best HR practices and every plant had their own leave /holidays (in South India, they would have diffrent holidays as per their local cultural and religious beliefs and customs). We also used to have many inter plant transfers and also people transferred from HO to plant and vice versa. Naturally, the tranferred employee will observe the service conditions as per his current location.
There cannot be two set of rules in a plant for two different set of employees (barring blue collar employees as they are guided by the laws as enacted by the government or by Long Term Settlements which determine their service conditions), where one set of employees (transferred from HO) is availing leave /holidays as per HO guideleines and another set of employees availing leave as per factory's guidelines. This type of double standards will create a lot of ambiguity and a lot dissatisfaction in other employees. There has to be uniformity of standards in the set up.
Most importantly, Labour Commissioner will not be able to help you in this matter, on the contrary you will earn the wrath of your Management as you will lose the goodwill, something which you have earned in the period spanning almost a couple of decades.
I feel,you must accept it as a part of game where sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Good luck and enjoy.
Regards,
Rakesh
From India, Gurgaon
Dear Subhs,
It seems you have already discussed this issue with somebody in the office, who has given you the options. You have already worked in the office for 5 years now. Therefore, it is clear that they have a sort of system for all office people, and expect you to follow the same. It would not be prudent to spoil your relations with a company where you are almost serving for 16 years, for such an issue.
From India, Mumbai
It seems you have already discussed this issue with somebody in the office, who has given you the options. You have already worked in the office for 5 years now. Therefore, it is clear that they have a sort of system for all office people, and expect you to follow the same. It would not be prudent to spoil your relations with a company where you are almost serving for 16 years, for such an issue.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Mr.Subh,
You have stated that you have been told so and so, and by the way is there any thing given in writing to you that you are entitled as per your sayings. If you have been given in writing, then you can right royaly claim your entitlement. Otherwise it is futile to sit and cry and gentle man you must understand that what cannot be cured should be endured.
Do not act in haste and invite more troubles and make your work life more miserable.
All the best...
Regards
From India, Mumbai
You have stated that you have been told so and so, and by the way is there any thing given in writing to you that you are entitled as per your sayings. If you have been given in writing, then you can right royaly claim your entitlement. Otherwise it is futile to sit and cry and gentle man you must understand that what cannot be cured should be endured.
Do not act in haste and invite more troubles and make your work life more miserable.
All the best...
Regards
From India, Mumbai
Dear Members,
I appreciate each & every members replies to me.
The fact is I have honestly served the company for 16 years & frankly speaking one or two days truly doesn't matter much to me , likewise I have forgone lots of injustice done towards me else it would have been difficult to survive for 16 years. I am sure you all will agree to that.
Regarding my Appointment letter it is just half a page with no transfer or notice pay clause, which was signed by our past Director.
The truth is there are people down the line who are deliberately imposing their rules on me since they don't enjoy 2nd & 4th Saturdays as I do & subtly I wanted to take back my rights.
I shall forgo this leave too but just wanted to know from our dear members their opinion, whether I can fight back for my rights?
Thank you very much, I respect each & every members response.
Regards
Shubhs
.
From India, Mumbai
I appreciate each & every members replies to me.
The fact is I have honestly served the company for 16 years & frankly speaking one or two days truly doesn't matter much to me , likewise I have forgone lots of injustice done towards me else it would have been difficult to survive for 16 years. I am sure you all will agree to that.
Regarding my Appointment letter it is just half a page with no transfer or notice pay clause, which was signed by our past Director.
The truth is there are people down the line who are deliberately imposing their rules on me since they don't enjoy 2nd & 4th Saturdays as I do & subtly I wanted to take back my rights.
I shall forgo this leave too but just wanted to know from our dear members their opinion, whether I can fight back for my rights?
Thank you very much, I respect each & every members response.
Regards
Shubhs
.
From India, Mumbai
Dear Shubh
Thanks for responding to others opinion so gracefully. It was nice to see that you accept the present situation; and are not unduly bitter about it.
One has to make certain compromises and forego certain benefits during the course of a long career in return for other benefits, experience or career growth.
The fact is, elsewhere, people are governed by the rules applicable at the place of their postings; (unless otherwise expressly specified - such as. in case of deputation). Its painful to forego any existing benefit for any employee, but then once must appreciate that you have enjoyed a few benefits which others have not enjoyed, by virtue of being transferred from CO.
It would be desirable if such issues are not raised at the Plant site, and if you feel its high time then you may work towards getting transferred back to CO.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
Thanks for responding to others opinion so gracefully. It was nice to see that you accept the present situation; and are not unduly bitter about it.
One has to make certain compromises and forego certain benefits during the course of a long career in return for other benefits, experience or career growth.
The fact is, elsewhere, people are governed by the rules applicable at the place of their postings; (unless otherwise expressly specified - such as. in case of deputation). Its painful to forego any existing benefit for any employee, but then once must appreciate that you have enjoyed a few benefits which others have not enjoyed, by virtue of being transferred from CO.
It would be desirable if such issues are not raised at the Plant site, and if you feel its high time then you may work towards getting transferred back to CO.
Warm regards.
From India, Delhi
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