Hi All!!!!!!!!
Read the story carefully............. its good one.............. i found it intresting .............. wat bout u????? :?: :D
NO GOD OR KNOW GOD??????
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new students to stand and.....
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good ?
Student: No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God.. .
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer. )
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
( Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him ?
Student: Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events .)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat,
But we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre .)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't.
If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar .)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent . The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable. )
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH .
That is all that keeps things moving & alive..................
Regards,
Monika
From India, Delhi
3Read the story carefully............. its good one.............. i found it intresting .............. wat bout u????? :?: :D
NO GOD OR KNOW GOD??????
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty.
He asks one of his new students to stand and.....
Prof: So you believe in God?
Student: Absolutely, sir.
Prof: Is God good?
Student: Sure.
Prof: Is God all-powerful?
Student: Yes.
Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him.
Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.)
Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Is Satan good ?
Student: No.
Prof: Where does Satan come from?
Student: From...God.. .
Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?
Student: Yes.
Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?
Student: Yes.
Prof: So who created evil?
(Student does not answer. )
Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?
Student: Yes, sir.
Prof: So, who created them?
( Student has no answer.)
Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?
Student: No, sir.
Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?
Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Prof: Yet you still believe in Him ?
Student: Yes.
Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student: Nothing. I only have my faith.
Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.
Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat?
Prof: Yes.
Student: And is there such a thing as cold?
Prof: Yes.
Student: No sir. There isn't.
(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events .)
Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat,
But we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold.
Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.
(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre .)
Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?
Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?
Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't.
If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?
Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?
Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.
Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?
Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.
Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.
To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?
Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.
Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)
Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?
(The class is in uproar .)
Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?
(The class breaks out into laughter.)
Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?
(The room is silent . The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable. )
Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.
Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH .
That is all that keeps things moving & alive..................
Regards,
Monika
From India, Delhi
Another one like this......
BELIEF in God is as natural as any instinct can be. An atheist asked Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq
how could he convince him about the existence of God. Coming to know that the man had
gone several times on sea voyages, Imam asked him “Have you ever been caught in a
fierce storm in middle of nowhere, your rudder gone, your sails torn away, trying
desperately to keep your boat afloat?” The answer was `Yes’. Then Imam asked: “And
sometimes perhaps even that leaking boat went down leaving you exhausted and helpless
on the mercy of raging waves?” The answer was again `Yes’.
Then Imam asked: “Was not there, in all that black despair, a glimmer of hope in your
heart that some unnamed and unknown power could still save you?” When he agreed,
Imam said: “That power is God.”
That atheist was intelligent. He knew the truth when he saw it.
Ref: http://moralsandethics.wordpress.com/tag/god-tauheed/
Above mentioned story is also available
See the Amazing series of ppt of creation of GOD!!!.
Really worth seeing...
http://moralsandethics.wordpress.com...of-god-part-4/
From India, Madras
BELIEF in God is as natural as any instinct can be. An atheist asked Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq
how could he convince him about the existence of God. Coming to know that the man had
gone several times on sea voyages, Imam asked him “Have you ever been caught in a
fierce storm in middle of nowhere, your rudder gone, your sails torn away, trying
desperately to keep your boat afloat?” The answer was `Yes’. Then Imam asked: “And
sometimes perhaps even that leaking boat went down leaving you exhausted and helpless
on the mercy of raging waves?” The answer was again `Yes’.
Then Imam asked: “Was not there, in all that black despair, a glimmer of hope in your
heart that some unnamed and unknown power could still save you?” When he agreed,
Imam said: “That power is God.”
That atheist was intelligent. He knew the truth when he saw it.
Ref: http://moralsandethics.wordpress.com/tag/god-tauheed/
Above mentioned story is also available
See the Amazing series of ppt of creation of GOD!!!.
Really worth seeing...
http://moralsandethics.wordpress.com...of-god-part-4/
From India, Madras
Hi that was nice counter argument from the student point of view..but hold on...when student asks the class whether can you all see,taste, smell the professor brain,they cant..isnt it.But the professor can prove the existence of his brain by taking a XRay.But how about in the student case, can he take XRay of his Known GOD.....
Thanks,
Jag
Thanks,
Jag
X-ray can show you the Image of Brain not the Actual Intellect. Here Brain refers to the Intellect ...
You can not see the Brain means the Intellect which we can't se at all!! :shock:
Apart from them there are so many things which we can't see but we believe, like Pain - We can't see but we believe in it. :)
TRs
Aliasgar P
From India, Madras
You can not see the Brain means the Intellect which we can't se at all!! :shock:
Apart from them there are so many things which we can't see but we believe, like Pain - We can't see but we believe in it. :)
TRs
Aliasgar P
From India, Madras
Hi dude, Hope you know what is IQ factor? It measures the intelligence of a person. SO we can even measure how intellect you are???? Cool.... Regards, Jag!!
hi Monika its really mind blowing good keep posting such goodkind of stuff. regards jonita
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Good job Monika. Infact this is the topic on which I have an argument quite often with my friend. Its seems now I can give him the appropriate answer. That too with an suitable explanation
From India, Jaipur
From India, Jaipur
Hi Disha, What you are trying to say that No God or Know God...I have given a reply to alaisgarp that there is NO god...
Argument was about seeing . Can you see the Intelligence :?:
The whole idea about argument was to prove the existence of GOD.
If can't see or measure than that this doesn't exist..
Also science is infant. It always is in learning & development mode. Till the time they can't see/measure they will say this is not present but after some decade someone will emerge & find the way prove that...
:shock:
My dear friend; IQ test is just an assessment of an individual’s problem solving ability rather than gauging a general intelligence. :lol:
See the below fact about what actually the IQ is ....
IQ is the acronym for intelligent quotient, and refers to a score given for several standardized intelligence tests. The first of these was developed by French psychologist Alfred Binet in 1905. He constructed the IQ test, as it would later be called, to determine which children might need additional help in scholarly pursuits. Today, the IQ test is commonly based on some model of the Stanford Binet Intelligence scale.
Not all intelligence can be measured by an IQ test. In fact, primarily, an IQ test measures mathematical and spatial reasoning, logical ability, and language understanding. Thus a person who is speaking English as a second language might score poorly on the language comprehension aspects of a test, and an IQ test would not be an adequate measurement of intelligence.
Further an IQ test does not measure things like life experience, wisdom, or personal qualities like being a good friend or a devoted spouse. So it is not a predictor of a person’s quality or worth, though it has occasionally been used as such.
Some things can negatively impact IQ score. These include malnutrition in children who are tested, and fetal alcohol syndrome, or maternal addiction. Mental retardation or conditions that deteriorate the brain’s capacity to remember like Alzheimer’s disease also causes IQ scores to be lower. IQ may also be impacted by lack of appropriate education, often due to disparity in educational funding. If these disparities are corrected, then IQ scores normally increase.
People can also train to take IQ tests, which can increase scoring. However, it is not known whether a person who scores higher because of training or repeated testing is actually more intelligent. It is verifiable that the trained person does better on the IQ test than the person who is not trained.
There have been some studies on brain size and development and IQ scores. Specifically the frontal lobe of the brain seems to be the most indicative method for prediction of IQ scores. Larger frontal lobes tend to result in larger IQs.
Men and women seem to score approximately the same on IQ testing, though men exhibit a greater variance in testing, and have more very high and very low scores than do women. The American Psychological Association conducted studies on IQs and came up with the following conclusions:
:arrow: IQ score was a fairly good predictor for school performance.
:arrow: IQ score may also predict fairly well the degree to which a person may be successful in occupations.
:arrow: IQ scores tend to exhibit some racial bias.
:arrow: Test scores may be influenced by personal genetic history.
There is much contentious debate in evaluating the IQ test, as to whether nature or nurture most influences IQ scores. As well, debate exists as to how much IQ scores should be used as a predictor of behavior. Some are concerned that IQ scores might negatively affect the perception of colleges, private schools or employers if used to determine employability or acceptance into schools.
From India, Madras
The whole idea about argument was to prove the existence of GOD.
If can't see or measure than that this doesn't exist..
Also science is infant. It always is in learning & development mode. Till the time they can't see/measure they will say this is not present but after some decade someone will emerge & find the way prove that...
:shock:
My dear friend; IQ test is just an assessment of an individual’s problem solving ability rather than gauging a general intelligence. :lol:
See the below fact about what actually the IQ is ....
IQ is the acronym for intelligent quotient, and refers to a score given for several standardized intelligence tests. The first of these was developed by French psychologist Alfred Binet in 1905. He constructed the IQ test, as it would later be called, to determine which children might need additional help in scholarly pursuits. Today, the IQ test is commonly based on some model of the Stanford Binet Intelligence scale.
Not all intelligence can be measured by an IQ test. In fact, primarily, an IQ test measures mathematical and spatial reasoning, logical ability, and language understanding. Thus a person who is speaking English as a second language might score poorly on the language comprehension aspects of a test, and an IQ test would not be an adequate measurement of intelligence.
Further an IQ test does not measure things like life experience, wisdom, or personal qualities like being a good friend or a devoted spouse. So it is not a predictor of a person’s quality or worth, though it has occasionally been used as such.
Some things can negatively impact IQ score. These include malnutrition in children who are tested, and fetal alcohol syndrome, or maternal addiction. Mental retardation or conditions that deteriorate the brain’s capacity to remember like Alzheimer’s disease also causes IQ scores to be lower. IQ may also be impacted by lack of appropriate education, often due to disparity in educational funding. If these disparities are corrected, then IQ scores normally increase.
People can also train to take IQ tests, which can increase scoring. However, it is not known whether a person who scores higher because of training or repeated testing is actually more intelligent. It is verifiable that the trained person does better on the IQ test than the person who is not trained.
There have been some studies on brain size and development and IQ scores. Specifically the frontal lobe of the brain seems to be the most indicative method for prediction of IQ scores. Larger frontal lobes tend to result in larger IQs.
Men and women seem to score approximately the same on IQ testing, though men exhibit a greater variance in testing, and have more very high and very low scores than do women. The American Psychological Association conducted studies on IQs and came up with the following conclusions:
:arrow: IQ score was a fairly good predictor for school performance.
:arrow: IQ score may also predict fairly well the degree to which a person may be successful in occupations.
:arrow: IQ scores tend to exhibit some racial bias.
:arrow: Test scores may be influenced by personal genetic history.
There is much contentious debate in evaluating the IQ test, as to whether nature or nurture most influences IQ scores. As well, debate exists as to how much IQ scores should be used as a predictor of behavior. Some are concerned that IQ scores might negatively affect the perception of colleges, private schools or employers if used to determine employability or acceptance into schools.
From India, Madras
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