Hi. I got a job but lost because of some confusion with the year of passing. I would need some information from HR experts on this forum. Let me explain the situation for better understanding.
I did my Engineering in Hyderabad from JNTU affiliated college. I joined the Engg college in 2004 batch. I got about a couple of offers during my Final year first semester. But unfortunately I missed the offers because I could not clear a subject in my final semester. I had to wait for 6 months to appear for that exam again.
So, I cannot say that I passed out in August, 2008 like everyone else in my batch. However, Instead of wasting time waiting for the next test, I joined a BPO which did not require my engineering(graduation). I wrote the test while working in that company & cleared it. I got my final marks memo that I passed all the papers on Jan 5, 2009. I continued to work in the same company until Jan 2011.
I recently appeared for a software company which wanted 2009 pass-out candidates. I thought I was technically eligible(because I passed out in Jan, 2009) but later after clearing all technical rounds, the HR said I cannot be considered as 2009 but 2008 pass out.
I would need your help in this matter. In case, if I get a job under the same condition, 5-6 months down the line, I don't want to be kicked out of the company because of the same reason.
Thanks in advance. Eagerly awaiting a reply.
Vignan
From India, Hyderabad
I did my Engineering in Hyderabad from JNTU affiliated college. I joined the Engg college in 2004 batch. I got about a couple of offers during my Final year first semester. But unfortunately I missed the offers because I could not clear a subject in my final semester. I had to wait for 6 months to appear for that exam again.
So, I cannot say that I passed out in August, 2008 like everyone else in my batch. However, Instead of wasting time waiting for the next test, I joined a BPO which did not require my engineering(graduation). I wrote the test while working in that company & cleared it. I got my final marks memo that I passed all the papers on Jan 5, 2009. I continued to work in the same company until Jan 2011.
I recently appeared for a software company which wanted 2009 pass-out candidates. I thought I was technically eligible(because I passed out in Jan, 2009) but later after clearing all technical rounds, the HR said I cannot be considered as 2009 but 2008 pass out.
I would need your help in this matter. In case, if I get a job under the same condition, 5-6 months down the line, I don't want to be kicked out of the company because of the same reason.
Thanks in advance. Eagerly awaiting a reply.
Vignan
From India, Hyderabad
Hi Vignan,
Its quite complexed right? For us also...
Alright to answer your query first... when the company mentioned that they are looking for 2009 passed out, technically speaking they wanted graduates who completed their Engineering in 2009.....and yes,according to them you would be called a 2008 pass out.
Secondly, I really did not understand why did you stick to a BPO job even after clearing your exam....Were you not serious about making your career in Engineering? Or you were happy with the work there? I really did not understand it.
All the best for your future....
Archna
From India, Delhi
113Its quite complexed right? For us also...
Alright to answer your query first... when the company mentioned that they are looking for 2009 passed out, technically speaking they wanted graduates who completed their Engineering in 2009.....and yes,according to them you would be called a 2008 pass out.
Secondly, I really did not understand why did you stick to a BPO job even after clearing your exam....Were you not serious about making your career in Engineering? Or you were happy with the work there? I really did not understand it.
All the best for your future....
Archna
From India, Delhi
Thank you Ms. Archana for answering the question. First let me answer your doubt. Honestly, I did not quit the BPO job because I got too comfortable in that company & also I was not sure if any company would accept a candidate who could not finish their engineering within the normal period(4 years). So, I was of the impression that I was not good enough for the Software industry or my core engineering field(Electrical). Therefore, I planned on building my career in the BPO industry.
However, my friend got a job in an MNC after studying Engineering for 5 years(suspended for a year). Then I knew I was wrong & tried to get a job in a software company.
Coming back to issue, until now, I have been mentioning in my resume that I passed out in 2009. I am not sure If I should mention 2008 or 2009(because my final marks memo was given on Jan 5, 2009). Do you suggest that I change it to 2008 or 2009?
I have another doubt now. If my friend who got suspended for a year and passed out in 2009 can be considered as 2009 passout. Why cannot I be called as 2009 passed out too. Because I believe that any company would only consider the date on the marks memo as the date when someone graduated. Even if the convocation certificate should be considered, it would also have 2009 on it. So I am in a kind of a dilemma.
From India, Hyderabad
However, my friend got a job in an MNC after studying Engineering for 5 years(suspended for a year). Then I knew I was wrong & tried to get a job in a software company.
Coming back to issue, until now, I have been mentioning in my resume that I passed out in 2009. I am not sure If I should mention 2008 or 2009(because my final marks memo was given on Jan 5, 2009). Do you suggest that I change it to 2008 or 2009?
I have another doubt now. If my friend who got suspended for a year and passed out in 2009 can be considered as 2009 passout. Why cannot I be called as 2009 passed out too. Because I believe that any company would only consider the date on the marks memo as the date when someone graduated. Even if the convocation certificate should be considered, it would also have 2009 on it. So I am in a kind of a dilemma.
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Vignan,
Your friend who got suspended for a year completed his degree when the normal session got over in 2009, whereas in your case, you got your final mark sheet in January 2009 but you were suppose to pass out in 2008. So thats the difference.
Different companies may have different rules, some might consider you if you mention 2009 as your year of passing.
As far as my experience goes, I would suggest you to mention 2008 as your year of passing and during interview or discussions just mention the reason for clearing one exam in 2009.
Lets see what others have to say on this......
Regards,
Archna
From India, Delhi
Your friend who got suspended for a year completed his degree when the normal session got over in 2009, whereas in your case, you got your final mark sheet in January 2009 but you were suppose to pass out in 2008. So thats the difference.
Different companies may have different rules, some might consider you if you mention 2009 as your year of passing.
As far as my experience goes, I would suggest you to mention 2008 as your year of passing and during interview or discussions just mention the reason for clearing one exam in 2009.
Lets see what others have to say on this......
Regards,
Archna
From India, Delhi
Normally the final exams of Engg are in May/Jun and the degree certificates are issued in Jul/Aug. In your case, it is Jan 2009. Hence you are 2008 passout. Regards R.Ponraj
From India, Lucknow
From India, Lucknow
Thanks Archana & Ponraj. The gap between the years is always brought up during the past interviews. And I have always clarified as to what happened & why I passed out in Jan 2009. I am afraid this further reduces my chances of getting a job now.
From India, Hyderabad
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Vignan,
You should mention the year of passout as 2008 as you are from that batch.
It will be difficult for you to get a job initially. But with a little persistence you can get.
You mentioned that you did not clear one of your paper, I hope the same was due to genuine reasons and not because you were not interested in studies, etc. Most of the companies are looking for smart employees.
Anyways, wish you all the best!!!
From India, Pune
You should mention the year of passout as 2008 as you are from that batch.
It will be difficult for you to get a job initially. But with a little persistence you can get.
You mentioned that you did not clear one of your paper, I hope the same was due to genuine reasons and not because you were not interested in studies, etc. Most of the companies are looking for smart employees.
Anyways, wish you all the best!!!
From India, Pune
@Viraj - Thanks for the reply. The reason I could not clear the subject is still a mystery to me. Because no matter how tough the paper is, I wont fail. I could not even clear the immediate supplementary exam. Surprisingly, that is my strongest subject of my final semester. I don't want to be a sour loser & say that the evaluation method of my Univ is incorrect. But I think I should say that it is plain bad luck.
Coming to being persistent, I have been doing just for the past 6 months. But I am facing a vicious circle here. Almost all companies ask for experienced candidates. But there are not many vacancies for freshers. I fail to understand how can there be experienced candidates without getting a job first. Well, there are other unethical ways, if you know what I mean. But still, it is kinda frustrating!
Sorry for sounding so hopeless. But thanks again for the help & support. I will keep trying!
From India, Hyderabad
Coming to being persistent, I have been doing just for the past 6 months. But I am facing a vicious circle here. Almost all companies ask for experienced candidates. But there are not many vacancies for freshers. I fail to understand how can there be experienced candidates without getting a job first. Well, there are other unethical ways, if you know what I mean. But still, it is kinda frustrating!
Sorry for sounding so hopeless. But thanks again for the help & support. I will keep trying!
From India, Hyderabad
@Viraj - Thanks for the reply. The reason I could not clear the subject is still a mystery to me. Because no matter how tough the paper is, I wont fail. I could not even clear the immediate supplementary exam. Surprisingly, that is my strongest subject of my final semester. I don't want to be a sour loser & say that the evaluation method of my Univ is incorrect. But I think I should say that it is plain bad luck.
Coming to being persistent, I have been doing just for the past 6 months. But I am facing a vicious circle here. Almost all companies ask for experienced candidates. But there are not many vacancies for freshers. I fail to understand how can there be experienced candidates without getting a job first. Well, there are other unethical ways, if you know what I mean. But still, it is kinda frustrating!
Sorry for sounding so hopeless. But thanks again for the help & support. I will keep trying! :D
From India, Hyderabad
Coming to being persistent, I have been doing just for the past 6 months. But I am facing a vicious circle here. Almost all companies ask for experienced candidates. But there are not many vacancies for freshers. I fail to understand how can there be experienced candidates without getting a job first. Well, there are other unethical ways, if you know what I mean. But still, it is kinda frustrating!
Sorry for sounding so hopeless. But thanks again for the help & support. I will keep trying! :D
From India, Hyderabad
Hello Vignan,
Your frustration is very natural & understandable.
But at the same time pl understand that there's no other option for you [or for that matter, for anyone else in similar position] except than to keep trying.
All you need to ensure & be careful is this: ask yourself if you are on the right track. This is where your friends & this Forum comes into picture-to guide you. But at the end of the day, it's YOUR call. As long as you are sure you are on the right track, it's just perseverance from then on. But the moment you perceive or feel that you may have chosen a wrong track to handle your situation, don't hesitate to change it--come what may. I recollect a Quote here: A Right is a right, even if the whole world says 'no'; a Wrong is never a right, even if the whole world says 'yes'. So just keep away from what you mentioned--'other unethical ways'. One always ends up paying for moving into such a direction--if you notice the various scams that are coming to light now, you know what I mean. Everyone of those involved thought they could get away with it--some with their great brains, some with their political level & yet some with their money power. But yet each ends up paying the price.
Archna & Viraj have already covered & given you the right inputs reg your original query--whether you are 2008 or 2009 passed-out. So no point harping more on it & confusing the issue.
However I would like to draw your attention to another aspect of your problem. You joined a BPO company due to circumstances & are now looking to join some IT company, after seeing one of your friend do the same. And this is where you are hitting a roadblock.
Why not look @ the whole thing in another way? Maybe you weren't meant to join an IT Company? Maybe you have other skills that need to be put into practice from now on, for which your BTech is just the base? And maybe those skills would form the base of your career? Or maybe you were meant to work in your core area--electrical engg--and NOT software field? The possibilities are multiple.
I recollect a Quote by Alexander Graham Bell [the inventor of telephone] here: When one door closes, HE always opens other doors for you. But we so often keep staring @ the closed door that we fail to notice the ones that opened for us. I can tell you that this is very true from my own experiences-none would believe if I told that my core background has never been or never is HR. But here I am, giving suggestions that more often than not hit the bull's eye.
Just do some self-introspection & think cooly. I am sure you will be able to see things in totally different & new perspectives. Frankly, I am not sure if anyone else can help you out on this aspect, except those who know you very closely AND those who wouldn't hesitate to hurt your feelings, if you were wrong.
I recollect another quote here: A true friend is the one who walks in, when the world walks out. One thing I have liked about this Forum is this aspect: Everyone here is clear that if someone reprimands or objects to a person's actions, they know that the focus is on the action & NOT on the person & whatever is being said/suggested is for their good [the word in sanskrit is: 'sreyassu'--which doesn't have the EXACT equivalent in English], even if it's not to their liking.
But like I said earlier, at the end of the day, it's YOUR call. All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Your frustration is very natural & understandable.
But at the same time pl understand that there's no other option for you [or for that matter, for anyone else in similar position] except than to keep trying.
All you need to ensure & be careful is this: ask yourself if you are on the right track. This is where your friends & this Forum comes into picture-to guide you. But at the end of the day, it's YOUR call. As long as you are sure you are on the right track, it's just perseverance from then on. But the moment you perceive or feel that you may have chosen a wrong track to handle your situation, don't hesitate to change it--come what may. I recollect a Quote here: A Right is a right, even if the whole world says 'no'; a Wrong is never a right, even if the whole world says 'yes'. So just keep away from what you mentioned--'other unethical ways'. One always ends up paying for moving into such a direction--if you notice the various scams that are coming to light now, you know what I mean. Everyone of those involved thought they could get away with it--some with their great brains, some with their political level & yet some with their money power. But yet each ends up paying the price.
Archna & Viraj have already covered & given you the right inputs reg your original query--whether you are 2008 or 2009 passed-out. So no point harping more on it & confusing the issue.
However I would like to draw your attention to another aspect of your problem. You joined a BPO company due to circumstances & are now looking to join some IT company, after seeing one of your friend do the same. And this is where you are hitting a roadblock.
Why not look @ the whole thing in another way? Maybe you weren't meant to join an IT Company? Maybe you have other skills that need to be put into practice from now on, for which your BTech is just the base? And maybe those skills would form the base of your career? Or maybe you were meant to work in your core area--electrical engg--and NOT software field? The possibilities are multiple.
I recollect a Quote by Alexander Graham Bell [the inventor of telephone] here: When one door closes, HE always opens other doors for you. But we so often keep staring @ the closed door that we fail to notice the ones that opened for us. I can tell you that this is very true from my own experiences-none would believe if I told that my core background has never been or never is HR. But here I am, giving suggestions that more often than not hit the bull's eye.
Just do some self-introspection & think cooly. I am sure you will be able to see things in totally different & new perspectives. Frankly, I am not sure if anyone else can help you out on this aspect, except those who know you very closely AND those who wouldn't hesitate to hurt your feelings, if you were wrong.
I recollect another quote here: A true friend is the one who walks in, when the world walks out. One thing I have liked about this Forum is this aspect: Everyone here is clear that if someone reprimands or objects to a person's actions, they know that the focus is on the action & NOT on the person & whatever is being said/suggested is for their good [the word in sanskrit is: 'sreyassu'--which doesn't have the EXACT equivalent in English], even if it's not to their liking.
But like I said earlier, at the end of the day, it's YOUR call. All the Best.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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