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I want to raise a very relevant topic for discussion today on Cite HR and I hope you will participate enthusiastically.Please go through it and post your opinion.
Geeta did her MBA from a B school which was simply AICTE approved and nothing else. Students there were below average though Geeta was very good. Her educational background:
Through out first divisioner and silver medalist at graduation and post graduation level (she did her graduation and masters in English literature).
However, after completing her PG, she decided to opt for MBA and having no idea of good colleges (plus fear of parents marrying her off after PG if she did not take up anything new to study) took admission in the first college that sent her admission letter only to realize that she had been trapped in a below average grade B school. But she had already invested 1 lakh by then so couldn't back off.
She worked very hard and got a chance to appear in th selection test of one of the leading MNCs in India after getting reference from an ex employee she knew. She topped in that grilling test schedule that continued for 3 months in stages, overtaking even the IIM candidates.
Everything went off smoothly for one year and then some of her seniors started doubting her potential just because she wasn't from a leading B school. Her subordinates from premier B schools were trusted more by the seniors as a result of which her promotion was affected. Demotivation set in and her performance started deteriorating.
This is a true story of an employee I know personally.
My question is: how justified it is for HR professionals to just look at the packaging and judge the matter instead of looking inside to see what it contains? I agree that students from leading B schools are excellent but at the same time should there be discrimination in face of those from non premier B schools if they are very promising?
Post your views and also what can be done about it to bring about change in our biased mentality.
From India, Mumbai
14I want to raise a very relevant topic for discussion today on Cite HR and I hope you will participate enthusiastically.Please go through it and post your opinion.
Geeta did her MBA from a B school which was simply AICTE approved and nothing else. Students there were below average though Geeta was very good. Her educational background:
Through out first divisioner and silver medalist at graduation and post graduation level (she did her graduation and masters in English literature).
However, after completing her PG, she decided to opt for MBA and having no idea of good colleges (plus fear of parents marrying her off after PG if she did not take up anything new to study) took admission in the first college that sent her admission letter only to realize that she had been trapped in a below average grade B school. But she had already invested 1 lakh by then so couldn't back off.
She worked very hard and got a chance to appear in th selection test of one of the leading MNCs in India after getting reference from an ex employee she knew. She topped in that grilling test schedule that continued for 3 months in stages, overtaking even the IIM candidates.
Everything went off smoothly for one year and then some of her seniors started doubting her potential just because she wasn't from a leading B school. Her subordinates from premier B schools were trusted more by the seniors as a result of which her promotion was affected. Demotivation set in and her performance started deteriorating.
This is a true story of an employee I know personally.
My question is: how justified it is for HR professionals to just look at the packaging and judge the matter instead of looking inside to see what it contains? I agree that students from leading B schools are excellent but at the same time should there be discrimination in face of those from non premier B schools if they are very promising?
Post your views and also what can be done about it to bring about change in our biased mentality.
From India, Mumbai
Sad to hear this but i do agree that these thinks do take place..
Even i have a experience that a candidate got selected just coz of Good B School but that person was not even able to operate computers..no knowledge..also..
Its not at all good to select sm1 on this basis..but its a sad reality and taking place all over..
I do agree students from B school are very good but others r also very good..its imp to judge sm1 on their competencies, skills, knowledge..
Still i have hopes..lets be optimistic.. :)
Thanks for this topic..
From India, Delhi
Even i have a experience that a candidate got selected just coz of Good B School but that person was not even able to operate computers..no knowledge..also..
Its not at all good to select sm1 on this basis..but its a sad reality and taking place all over..
I do agree students from B school are very good but others r also very good..its imp to judge sm1 on their competencies, skills, knowledge..
Still i have hopes..lets be optimistic.. :)
Thanks for this topic..
From India, Delhi
Ya sonali but its not only HR the whole management think like that na...still as HR we can try to change the senario lets see wht say dear :)
From India, Delhi
From India, Delhi
Hi Sonali,
This is really shocking for me. How an leading MNC can do this to its Employee. I believe Job/task should be allotted on the basis of ones abilities, skill, talents,knowledge and not on the grounds of institution they belong to.
For eg: Microsft is an organisation which accepts even diploma graduates, they just look for ones skill.
Regards,
Poonam
From India, Bangalore
This is really shocking for me. How an leading MNC can do this to its Employee. I believe Job/task should be allotted on the basis of ones abilities, skill, talents,knowledge and not on the grounds of institution they belong to.
For eg: Microsft is an organisation which accepts even diploma graduates, they just look for ones skill.
Regards,
Poonam
From India, Bangalore
Hi Sonal Shree,
This story is heart rending and I agree that such things do happen.But lets look it from a positive side.Geeta was not from a good B school yet she managed to beat people who are from good B schools.That proves she is competent,skilled and knowledgable then other guys.
In my opinion she should not feel bad and demotivated for the very fact that she has not grown.I understand that recognition is what every individual needs and wants but sometimes the management fails to appreciate the employee.
I attribute this failure to two things.Firstly the HR policies are not in place in that particular organization and according to you only because of a senior manager this is happening.But the work she has done in the last three months( a quarter) cannot be undone.
Secondly talking about expectations of human beings.One should concerntrate on self improving by upgrading skills.Self talk can be useful in this case and stop worrying about growth.It will come to her when she expects the least which i am sure will be difficult.She needs encouragement, appreciation for the work.If nothing works out she needs to quit the concern which is ultimate decision.
This story is heart rending and I agree that such things do happen.But lets look it from a positive side.Geeta was not from a good B school yet she managed to beat people who are from good B schools.That proves she is competent,skilled and knowledgable then other guys.
In my opinion she should not feel bad and demotivated for the very fact that she has not grown.I understand that recognition is what every individual needs and wants but sometimes the management fails to appreciate the employee.
I attribute this failure to two things.Firstly the HR policies are not in place in that particular organization and according to you only because of a senior manager this is happening.But the work she has done in the last three months( a quarter) cannot be undone.
Secondly talking about expectations of human beings.One should concerntrate on self improving by upgrading skills.Self talk can be useful in this case and stop worrying about growth.It will come to her when she expects the least which i am sure will be difficult.She needs encouragement, appreciation for the work.If nothing works out she needs to quit the concern which is ultimate decision.
As far as the question of 'how a leading MNC could do this' is concerned, I know one thing, there are still many loopholes even with leading organizations. We have to admit that brand is what attracts people but at the same time discrimination is bad if real talent comes on the way.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Hi Rajni. Yes, its true that the positive aspect cannot be relegated to the background. Geeta managed to be the best and I think she would have climbed organizational ladder faster had this B school factor not come in the way.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
I agree with what u said. In this competitive world we give importance to the brand than the real worth of the product.. that is waht happens even with the individual..
One cannot survive only with the holding degree from a B School for long... If they dont prove themselves organization wil only terminate them..
Also, organization has to keep in mind how much they spend on recruitments. They should be careful while recruiting people rather than terminating them.. Many of us being a part of HR do the same mistake again and again.... We speak a lot about competencies and stuff but when doing the recruitments most of us not bothered about all thiose except filling the position. This trend has to change and the importance should be given to those who really deserve.
From India, New Delhi
One cannot survive only with the holding degree from a B School for long... If they dont prove themselves organization wil only terminate them..
Also, organization has to keep in mind how much they spend on recruitments. They should be careful while recruiting people rather than terminating them.. Many of us being a part of HR do the same mistake again and again.... We speak a lot about competencies and stuff but when doing the recruitments most of us not bothered about all thiose except filling the position. This trend has to change and the importance should be given to those who really deserve.
From India, New Delhi
Hi Prathima,
I agree with your view on this when you say its a mistake of the HR folks.True mapping an employee according to their competency is what is needed.But in this case the employee was competent enough and she was mapped to the right place.Problem was recognition and appreciation.In my view the management and the HR policies of the particular co is faulty.
True many people give importance to brand but not the real worth.Example is if i wear a shirt made by a larger brand like Louis Phillipe people look at me but if i wear a tshirt purchased from a pavement they give you a disgusting look.What they fail to realise is probably both were made in the same loom.
What we take form this is where you are from does not matter but what you have is what matters the most.
Cheers!!
I agree with your view on this when you say its a mistake of the HR folks.True mapping an employee according to their competency is what is needed.But in this case the employee was competent enough and she was mapped to the right place.Problem was recognition and appreciation.In my view the management and the HR policies of the particular co is faulty.
True many people give importance to brand but not the real worth.Example is if i wear a shirt made by a larger brand like Louis Phillipe people look at me but if i wear a tshirt purchased from a pavement they give you a disgusting look.What they fail to realise is probably both were made in the same loom.
What we take form this is where you are from does not matter but what you have is what matters the most.
Cheers!!
Brand is really important. If I say that I need to buy a refrigerator then I would go for branded ones like Godrej or LG and no matter how much one convinces to go for a local brand (no matter how good it may be) , I will not agree to it.
What do you people have to say about this?
P.S. Do not think that I am against Geeta. In fact I am just presenting a logic and inviting your views on this
From India, Mumbai
What do you people have to say about this?
P.S. Do not think that I am against Geeta. In fact I am just presenting a logic and inviting your views on this
From India, Mumbai
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