You can also distribute the project in to Mechanical ie like fabrication, designing and civil then it will be easy for the HODs for distribution and also the performance evaluation part. Ensure that a HOD should have not more than 7 - 8 people reporting.
Material supervisor and all comes under warehouse, you can also have purchase and the head for ware house and purchase may be a manager - materials or else you can have ware house manager and purchase manager seperately.
I believe your works might be at different locations then you require an administrative person to look in to their day to day activities.
The other areas a person for liasioning and for statutory compliances. Once you continue you may require to cover more areas accordingly you can add some more sections basing on the need.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
30Material supervisor and all comes under warehouse, you can also have purchase and the head for ware house and purchase may be a manager - materials or else you can have ware house manager and purchase manager seperately.
I believe your works might be at different locations then you require an administrative person to look in to their day to day activities.
The other areas a person for liasioning and for statutory compliances. Once you continue you may require to cover more areas accordingly you can add some more sections basing on the need.
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Mam,
I'm also working in Construction Company. When i joined, first i prepared master database of all the employees. I had sorted employee nos. based on their date of joining.
I maintain my MIS:-
1) Grade wise
2) Location wise
3) Department wise
and in my opinion projects department consists of all the designations project managers, engineers, site supervisors etc. Only Tendering & Procurements may be considered as seperate department & may not be included in projects.
Regards,
Niraja
From India, Hyderabad
I'm also working in Construction Company. When i joined, first i prepared master database of all the employees. I had sorted employee nos. based on their date of joining.
I maintain my MIS:-
1) Grade wise
2) Location wise
3) Department wise
Admin
Systems
Legal
Liason
Finance & Accounts
HR
Marketing & Business Development
Projects & Execution
Procurements & Contracts
Top Mgt
I had included other support staff in admin department only.Systems
Legal
Liason
Finance & Accounts
HR
Marketing & Business Development
Projects & Execution
Procurements & Contracts
Top Mgt
and in my opinion projects department consists of all the designations project managers, engineers, site supervisors etc. Only Tendering & Procurements may be considered as seperate department & may not be included in projects.
Regards,
Niraja
From India, Hyderabad
I am surprised to know that being HR Manager working in such responsible position you don't know even basic's of HR management and has to take shelter of novice trainees of Citehr. Do you think this internet base advise will work I bet you that this is impossible to implement because until you have proper understanding of business process and key core busienss verticles you cannot just create boxes as departments and decide what is fit into this boxes.
This is showing yoru inexperience baby. I have sympathy wit you. But you must first learn about business processes of construction industry and your organization structure then discuss with your key core department heads and arrive at final conclusion. Discussion in this forum is not solution. You will get solution from within your organization as every organization is unique and they own typical business model delegation of authority and span of control.
Rashid
From Saudi Arabia
This is showing yoru inexperience baby. I have sympathy wit you. But you must first learn about business processes of construction industry and your organization structure then discuss with your key core department heads and arrive at final conclusion. Discussion in this forum is not solution. You will get solution from within your organization as every organization is unique and they own typical business model delegation of authority and span of control.
Rashid
From Saudi Arabia
I am surprised to know that being HR Manager working in such responsible position you don't know even basic's of HR management and has to take shelter of novice trainees of Citehr. Do you think this internet base advise will work I bet you that this is impossible to implement because until you have proper understanding of business process and key core busienss verticles you cannot just create boxes as departments and decide what is fit into this boxes.
This is showing yoru inexperience baby. I have sympathy wit you. But you must first learn about business processes of construction industry and your organization structure then discuss with your key core department heads and arrive at final conclusion. Discussion in this forum is not solution. You will get solution from within your organization as every organization is unique and they own typical business model delegation of authority and span of control.
Rashid :ph34r:
From Saudi Arabia
This is showing yoru inexperience baby. I have sympathy wit you. But you must first learn about business processes of construction industry and your organization structure then discuss with your key core department heads and arrive at final conclusion. Discussion in this forum is not solution. You will get solution from within your organization as every organization is unique and they own typical business model delegation of authority and span of control.
Rashid :ph34r:
From Saudi Arabia
Dear All,
Can anybody help me out with some difficulty which i am facing while preparing the Operations department.Actually we have 2 to 3 sites and each site has site supervisors.site engineers,etc.Now how can i prepare the Operations dept?Shall i split on the basis of site?but if i do so then it will be a temporary one as sites will be closed and new sites will open...Please help...
Regards
Revathi Pillai
Manager -HR
RMS India
From India, Pune
Can anybody help me out with some difficulty which i am facing while preparing the Operations department.Actually we have 2 to 3 sites and each site has site supervisors.site engineers,etc.Now how can i prepare the Operations dept?Shall i split on the basis of site?but if i do so then it will be a temporary one as sites will be closed and new sites will open...Please help...
Regards
Revathi Pillai
Manager -HR
RMS India
From India, Pune
Dear Revathi,
These sites will not be permanent right. Its just that for the current projects they have assigned the specific site engineers and supervisors.
After 6 - 8 months they will move on to other projects.
So I dont think u will have to have depts for seperate sites. They will all have the same responsibilities.
(I guess u meant the site as current projects)
From India, Madras
These sites will not be permanent right. Its just that for the current projects they have assigned the specific site engineers and supervisors.
After 6 - 8 months they will move on to other projects.
So I dont think u will have to have depts for seperate sites. They will all have the same responsibilities.
(I guess u meant the site as current projects)
From India, Madras
Hi Revathi,
Only to-day I happen to see your question about HR for a construction Company.
Normally, The Company has Higher Management, Middle Management, Down the line operations:
Constuction Company:
Directors-Technical - They are fully responsible for the entire operations of the company as far as acquiring contracts, and seeing to it whether to tender or not. Checking the Estimation with the Contracts Manager and decision taken at the Board Meeting with all Directors. Finance and Banking will be discussed with the Finance Director and with Board of Directors and Cont. Manager generaly not involved with Corporate Finance. But once the Finance is allotted to the Project then he has to ensure that the Project is executed and general revenue to meet up all the cast flow.
Director- Finance - will have under him : FINANCE MANAGER/CHIEF ACCOUNTANT, ASST.ACCOUNTANT, COST ACCOUNTANT, DATA ENTRY OPERATORS. AND LIKE
General Manager:
Manger - HR.& Operations.
Project Departments: CIVIL, MECHANICAL, HVAC, PLUBING, ELECTRICAL & INSTRUMENTATION, AND THE LIKE AND LIKE ETC.
FIRST COMES
TENDERING & ESTIMATION
PLANNING
AUTO CAD & DESIGN
PROCUREMENT- PURCHASER
CONSTRUCTION/CONTRACTS MANAGER
PROJECT MANAGER-( ONE PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH PROJECT IF THE PROJECT IS LARGE) OR PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH DIVISION OF ACTIVITY.
SITE ENGINEERS ( EACH ACTIVITY ONE OR MORE)
SITE ACCOUNTANT/ COST ACCOUNTANT/ PROJECT ACCOUNTANT ( ONE FOR ALL OR TWO AS THE CASE MAY BE - PLUS ASSISTANTS)
SITE SUPERVISORS
FOREMAN
DRAFTSMAN/DRAUGHTSMAN -AUTO CAD, PRIMA VIERA
STORE-KEEPER
SAFETY OFFICER
WORKFORCE-MASON, CARPENTER, DRIVERS, FORK-LIFT OPERATORS, DUCT ERECTORS, PLUMBERS, FABRICATORS, WELDERS, ELECTRICIANS, AIR-CONDITIONING MECHANICS, AND GENERAL WORKERS-LIKE HELPERS AND OTHERS, OFFICE BOY/TEA BOY.
SECURITY PERSONNEL
Now you drawout a company organization chart showing who stands where and then you will come to know how to give line organization.
As per the line of work undertaken by the company category of peoples will be added and you can create a name for that.
Here comes:
Attendence Card: Normally I used to creat different colour of card for Major Labour Force like Plum/Elect/Civil etc. to know who this worker is w/o looking into the details, but on looking at the card itself we identify who he is.
Company Policy for attendence: What normally do is daily wages peoples get paid on days they work. So the incentive monthly is that if they put 26 days work (i.e.inclu. days if sunday or etc. worked, but not for daily o.t. hrs. they get) then they will be paid 2 days extra days as exgratia. Even if they put 25 days in a month (w/o o.t. daily basis ) they they are paid 1 day extra wages. So people are tuned to give attendence and our work wont suffer due to absent.
Yearly leave 15 days are paid. But here we take into account the total days worked in a year as 300 days is the per year working. So 15/300 ..then how many days they worked it will be computed they will be paid every year along with bonus. So absent is not paid at all.
Monthly paid permanent peoples leave are recorded and as per their agreement and company rules they are dealt with.
Generally:
Getting a Full Bio-Data of the people (old and new) to get filled in with details of their family and their contact numbers and also a nomination form is filled in by the employee is taken on record to meet with in the eventuality of something happened then who will be paid all their dues. This will ease the companies litigation and avoid more complication. This may be updated yearly to keep it up-to-date to note any change in their status. Also if any employee wishes to amend the status this can be done any time.
From Saudi Arabia
Only to-day I happen to see your question about HR for a construction Company.
Normally, The Company has Higher Management, Middle Management, Down the line operations:
Constuction Company:
Directors-Technical - They are fully responsible for the entire operations of the company as far as acquiring contracts, and seeing to it whether to tender or not. Checking the Estimation with the Contracts Manager and decision taken at the Board Meeting with all Directors. Finance and Banking will be discussed with the Finance Director and with Board of Directors and Cont. Manager generaly not involved with Corporate Finance. But once the Finance is allotted to the Project then he has to ensure that the Project is executed and general revenue to meet up all the cast flow.
Director- Finance - will have under him : FINANCE MANAGER/CHIEF ACCOUNTANT, ASST.ACCOUNTANT, COST ACCOUNTANT, DATA ENTRY OPERATORS. AND LIKE
General Manager:
Manger - HR.& Operations.
Project Departments: CIVIL, MECHANICAL, HVAC, PLUBING, ELECTRICAL & INSTRUMENTATION, AND THE LIKE AND LIKE ETC.
FIRST COMES
TENDERING & ESTIMATION
PLANNING
AUTO CAD & DESIGN
PROCUREMENT- PURCHASER
CONSTRUCTION/CONTRACTS MANAGER
PROJECT MANAGER-( ONE PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH PROJECT IF THE PROJECT IS LARGE) OR PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH DIVISION OF ACTIVITY.
SITE ENGINEERS ( EACH ACTIVITY ONE OR MORE)
SITE ACCOUNTANT/ COST ACCOUNTANT/ PROJECT ACCOUNTANT ( ONE FOR ALL OR TWO AS THE CASE MAY BE - PLUS ASSISTANTS)
SITE SUPERVISORS
FOREMAN
DRAFTSMAN/DRAUGHTSMAN -AUTO CAD, PRIMA VIERA
STORE-KEEPER
SAFETY OFFICER
WORKFORCE-MASON, CARPENTER, DRIVERS, FORK-LIFT OPERATORS, DUCT ERECTORS, PLUMBERS, FABRICATORS, WELDERS, ELECTRICIANS, AIR-CONDITIONING MECHANICS, AND GENERAL WORKERS-LIKE HELPERS AND OTHERS, OFFICE BOY/TEA BOY.
SECURITY PERSONNEL
Now you drawout a company organization chart showing who stands where and then you will come to know how to give line organization.
As per the line of work undertaken by the company category of peoples will be added and you can create a name for that.
Here comes:
Attendence Card: Normally I used to creat different colour of card for Major Labour Force like Plum/Elect/Civil etc. to know who this worker is w/o looking into the details, but on looking at the card itself we identify who he is.
Company Policy for attendence: What normally do is daily wages peoples get paid on days they work. So the incentive monthly is that if they put 26 days work (i.e.inclu. days if sunday or etc. worked, but not for daily o.t. hrs. they get) then they will be paid 2 days extra days as exgratia. Even if they put 25 days in a month (w/o o.t. daily basis ) they they are paid 1 day extra wages. So people are tuned to give attendence and our work wont suffer due to absent.
Yearly leave 15 days are paid. But here we take into account the total days worked in a year as 300 days is the per year working. So 15/300 ..then how many days they worked it will be computed they will be paid every year along with bonus. So absent is not paid at all.
Monthly paid permanent peoples leave are recorded and as per their agreement and company rules they are dealt with.
Generally:
Getting a Full Bio-Data of the people (old and new) to get filled in with details of their family and their contact numbers and also a nomination form is filled in by the employee is taken on record to meet with in the eventuality of something happened then who will be paid all their dues. This will ease the companies litigation and avoid more complication. This may be updated yearly to keep it up-to-date to note any change in their status. Also if any employee wishes to amend the status this can be done any time.
From Saudi Arabia
Hi Revathi,
Only to-day I happen to see your question about HR for a construction Company.
Normally, The Company has Higher Management, Middle Management, Down the line operations:
Constuction Company:
Directors-Technical - They are fully responsible for the entire operations of the company as far as acquiring contracts, and seeing to it whether to tender or not. Checking the Estimation with the Contracts Manager and decision taken at the Board Meeting with all Directors. Finance and Banking will be discussed with the Finance Director and with Board of Directors and Cont. Manager generaly not involved with Corporate Finance. But once the Finance is allotted to the Project then he has to ensure that the Project is executed and general revenue to meet up all the cast flow.
Director- Finance - will have under him : FINANCE MANAGER/CHIEF ACCOUNTANT, ASST.ACCOUNTANT, COST ACCOUNTANT, DATA ENTRY OPERATORS. AND LIKE
General Manager:
Manger - HR.& Operations.
Project Departments: CIVIL, MECHANICAL, HVAC, PLUBING, ELECTRICAL & INSTRUMENTATION, AND THE LIKE AND LIKE ETC.
FIRST COMES
TENDERING & ESTIMATION
PLANNING
AUTO CAD & DESIGN
PROCUREMENT- PURCHASER
CONSTRUCTION/CONTRACTS MANAGER
PROJECT MANAGER-( ONE PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH PROJECT IF THE PROJECT IS LARGE) OR PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH DIVISION OF ACTIVITY.
SITE ENGINEERS ( EACH ACTIVITY ONE OR MORE)
SITE ACCOUNTANT/ COST ACCOUNTANT/ PROJECT ACCOUNTANT ( ONE FOR ALL OR TWO AS THE CASE MAY BE - PLUS ASSISTANTS)
SITE SUPERVISORS
FOREMAN
DRAFTSMAN/DRAUGHTSMAN -AUTO CAD, PRIMA VIERA
STORE-KEEPER
SAFETY OFFICER
WORKFORCE-MASON, CARPENTER, DRIVERS, FORK-LIFT OPERATORS, DUCT ERECTORS, PLUMBERS, FABRICATORS, WELDERS, ELECTRICIANS, AIR-CONDITIONING MECHANICS, AND GENERAL WORKERS-LIKE HELPERS AND OTHERS, OFFICE BOY/TEA BOY.
SECURITY PERSONNEL
Now you drawout a company organization chart showing who stands where and then you will come to know how to give line organization.
As per the line of work undertaken by the company category of peoples will be added and you can create a name for that.
Here comes:
Attendence Card: Normally I used to creat different colour of card for Major Labour Force like Plum/Elect/Civil etc. to know who this worker is w/o looking into the details, but on looking at the card itself we identify who he is.
Company Policy for attendence: What normally do is daily wages peoples get paid on days they work. So the incentive monthly is that if they put 26 days work (i.e.inclu. days if sunday or etc. worked, but not for daily o.t. hrs. they get) then they will be paid 2 days extra days as exgratia. Even if they put 25 days in a month (w/o o.t. daily basis ) they they are paid 1 day extra wages. So people are tuned to give attendence and our work wont suffer due to absent.
Yearly leave 15 days are paid. But here we take into account the total days worked in a year as 300 days is the per year working. So 15/300 ..then how many days they worked it will be computed they will be paid every year along with bonus. So absent is not paid at all.
Monthly paid permanent peoples leave are recorded and as per their agreement and company rules they are dealt with.
Generally:
Getting a Full Bio-Data of the people (old and new) to get filled in with details of their family and their contact numbers and also a nomination form is filled in by the employee is taken on record to meet with in the eventuality of something happened then who will be paid all their dues. This will ease the companies litigation and avoid more complication. This may be updated yearly to keep it up-to-date to note any change in their status. Also if any employee wishes to amend the status this can be done any time.
I think it would be useful to you..to explore it any further as you may desire.
Regards
Rama
Chief Accountant
Cont. Company
From Saudi Arabia
Only to-day I happen to see your question about HR for a construction Company.
Normally, The Company has Higher Management, Middle Management, Down the line operations:
Constuction Company:
Directors-Technical - They are fully responsible for the entire operations of the company as far as acquiring contracts, and seeing to it whether to tender or not. Checking the Estimation with the Contracts Manager and decision taken at the Board Meeting with all Directors. Finance and Banking will be discussed with the Finance Director and with Board of Directors and Cont. Manager generaly not involved with Corporate Finance. But once the Finance is allotted to the Project then he has to ensure that the Project is executed and general revenue to meet up all the cast flow.
Director- Finance - will have under him : FINANCE MANAGER/CHIEF ACCOUNTANT, ASST.ACCOUNTANT, COST ACCOUNTANT, DATA ENTRY OPERATORS. AND LIKE
General Manager:
Manger - HR.& Operations.
Project Departments: CIVIL, MECHANICAL, HVAC, PLUBING, ELECTRICAL & INSTRUMENTATION, AND THE LIKE AND LIKE ETC.
FIRST COMES
TENDERING & ESTIMATION
PLANNING
AUTO CAD & DESIGN
PROCUREMENT- PURCHASER
CONSTRUCTION/CONTRACTS MANAGER
PROJECT MANAGER-( ONE PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH PROJECT IF THE PROJECT IS LARGE) OR PROJECT MANAGER FOR EACH DIVISION OF ACTIVITY.
SITE ENGINEERS ( EACH ACTIVITY ONE OR MORE)
SITE ACCOUNTANT/ COST ACCOUNTANT/ PROJECT ACCOUNTANT ( ONE FOR ALL OR TWO AS THE CASE MAY BE - PLUS ASSISTANTS)
SITE SUPERVISORS
FOREMAN
DRAFTSMAN/DRAUGHTSMAN -AUTO CAD, PRIMA VIERA
STORE-KEEPER
SAFETY OFFICER
WORKFORCE-MASON, CARPENTER, DRIVERS, FORK-LIFT OPERATORS, DUCT ERECTORS, PLUMBERS, FABRICATORS, WELDERS, ELECTRICIANS, AIR-CONDITIONING MECHANICS, AND GENERAL WORKERS-LIKE HELPERS AND OTHERS, OFFICE BOY/TEA BOY.
SECURITY PERSONNEL
Now you drawout a company organization chart showing who stands where and then you will come to know how to give line organization.
As per the line of work undertaken by the company category of peoples will be added and you can create a name for that.
Here comes:
Attendence Card: Normally I used to creat different colour of card for Major Labour Force like Plum/Elect/Civil etc. to know who this worker is w/o looking into the details, but on looking at the card itself we identify who he is.
Company Policy for attendence: What normally do is daily wages peoples get paid on days they work. So the incentive monthly is that if they put 26 days work (i.e.inclu. days if sunday or etc. worked, but not for daily o.t. hrs. they get) then they will be paid 2 days extra days as exgratia. Even if they put 25 days in a month (w/o o.t. daily basis ) they they are paid 1 day extra wages. So people are tuned to give attendence and our work wont suffer due to absent.
Yearly leave 15 days are paid. But here we take into account the total days worked in a year as 300 days is the per year working. So 15/300 ..then how many days they worked it will be computed they will be paid every year along with bonus. So absent is not paid at all.
Monthly paid permanent peoples leave are recorded and as per their agreement and company rules they are dealt with.
Generally:
Getting a Full Bio-Data of the people (old and new) to get filled in with details of their family and their contact numbers and also a nomination form is filled in by the employee is taken on record to meet with in the eventuality of something happened then who will be paid all their dues. This will ease the companies litigation and avoid more complication. This may be updated yearly to keep it up-to-date to note any change in their status. Also if any employee wishes to amend the status this can be done any time.
I think it would be useful to you..to explore it any further as you may desire.
Regards
Rama
Chief Accountant
Cont. Company
From Saudi Arabia
Great Content Mr. Rama.
I have a clarification that can benefit Revathi - Won't Auto cad and Draftsman come uner the planning department?
Hey Revathy why dont u prepare some thing like this and then get more input:
Like:
Planning Department
Head Planning
Sr. Planning Executive / Planning Executive
Draughtsman / draftman
Architects - (if u r not outsourcing this, I guess they come under planning - but pls check)
Likewise for each dept chart it out. U may get additional input for expert HRS in COntruction Industry.
From India, Madras
I have a clarification that can benefit Revathi - Won't Auto cad and Draftsman come uner the planning department?
Hey Revathy why dont u prepare some thing like this and then get more input:
Like:
Planning Department
Head Planning
Sr. Planning Executive / Planning Executive
Draughtsman / draftman
Architects - (if u r not outsourcing this, I guess they come under planning - but pls check)
Likewise for each dept chart it out. U may get additional input for expert HRS in COntruction Industry.
From India, Madras
Dear Mr. Rashid,
I respect your inputs and expertize. You should also note that when our superiors wants some work then we should do some spade work and go to them and discuss then only they can add some more poetential inputs. Begining is very very critical and I appreciate Ms. Ravathi's initiation in knowing the things which she is not wellversed, we as HR professional are very popular for our people orientation and we should support our friends who are in the same feternity instead of critisizing, critique is better than criticizm. I value your inputs saying that she should do the spade work with in their organization at the same time I also expect that you will support the people in future instead hurting.
Ms. Revathi - organogram need to be prepared as a whole. each and every site there may be people under different verticles, you should prepare a two way reporting structure ie., administratively all the people will be reporting to the site in-charge and functionally they will be reporting to the concerned HOD. Otherwise it will be difficult for the site in-charge to manage the operations as he / she will be responsible for Profit and loss a/c. of that particular site.
Eg: A HR / Finance & Accounts / Purchase etc people will be there in each site and for all day to day and for all administrative purposes will be reporting to the site in-charge and for all functional purposes they will be ( in dotted line ) will be reporting to the functional heads.
Pl. prepare the structure for one site and replicate the same for all the sites, this will become an SOP and an utmost clarity across organization.
I believe you are clear, pl. feel free to post your doubts till you get a clarity. Even you can obtain the contact numbers of the pople whom you feel resourceful, interact and get expertize. We all started our careers like this only and now we are able to give some inputs to the needy. Nobody in the world is 100% perfect and if any body feels he is a .........................:-?
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
I respect your inputs and expertize. You should also note that when our superiors wants some work then we should do some spade work and go to them and discuss then only they can add some more poetential inputs. Begining is very very critical and I appreciate Ms. Ravathi's initiation in knowing the things which she is not wellversed, we as HR professional are very popular for our people orientation and we should support our friends who are in the same feternity instead of critisizing, critique is better than criticizm. I value your inputs saying that she should do the spade work with in their organization at the same time I also expect that you will support the people in future instead hurting.
Ms. Revathi - organogram need to be prepared as a whole. each and every site there may be people under different verticles, you should prepare a two way reporting structure ie., administratively all the people will be reporting to the site in-charge and functionally they will be reporting to the concerned HOD. Otherwise it will be difficult for the site in-charge to manage the operations as he / she will be responsible for Profit and loss a/c. of that particular site.
Eg: A HR / Finance & Accounts / Purchase etc people will be there in each site and for all day to day and for all administrative purposes will be reporting to the site in-charge and for all functional purposes they will be ( in dotted line ) will be reporting to the functional heads.
Pl. prepare the structure for one site and replicate the same for all the sites, this will become an SOP and an utmost clarity across organization.
I believe you are clear, pl. feel free to post your doubts till you get a clarity. Even you can obtain the contact numbers of the pople whom you feel resourceful, interact and get expertize. We all started our careers like this only and now we are able to give some inputs to the needy. Nobody in the world is 100% perfect and if any body feels he is a .........................:-?
Thanks and regards - kameswarao
From India, Hyderabad
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