she can wear mangalsustra at on her responsibility because campany can't interfare any mishap happen with her regarding her mangalsutra. so company is looking for employee safety but she dosen't agree with company policy then It is her responsibility.
Praj
From India, Mumbai
2Praj
From India, Mumbai
I find it ridiculous that the HR has such a ploicy in vogue.A mangalsutra is something that has sanctity and no body has the right to demand its removal on grounds that a married woman on roadshows is bad for the image of the company.
Having said that two issues stand out
A via media has to be found whereby the lady in question may cover the item appropriately as has been suggested so that both her marriage vows and professional commitments are kept in tact
It would also depend on whether marriage or the profession is more important for the lady. In case the latter is, and she is willing to move around without her mangalsutra in the office, it is OK-provided a tacit understanding is reached between her, her husband and her in-laws.If marriage is important, then she is at liberty to quit the job and join one where married women are accepted without conditions attached.
Notwithstanding, such issues are purely personal and must be viewed in that light.
From India, Mumbai
Having said that two issues stand out
A via media has to be found whereby the lady in question may cover the item appropriately as has been suggested so that both her marriage vows and professional commitments are kept in tact
It would also depend on whether marriage or the profession is more important for the lady. In case the latter is, and she is willing to move around without her mangalsutra in the office, it is OK-provided a tacit understanding is reached between her, her husband and her in-laws.If marriage is important, then she is at liberty to quit the job and join one where married women are accepted without conditions attached.
Notwithstanding, such issues are purely personal and must be viewed in that light.
From India, Mumbai
one more thing- image be damned, does a mangalsutra interfere with the efficiency of the employee concerned.
From India, Mumbai
From India, Mumbai
Hello,
why dont you find out the reason behind it?
Is it:
a) Because they follow a certain dress code
b) or because they simply dont want people to think that the employee is married.
For IT/ITES recruitments, a few companies provide uniforms: Red t-shirt with the company name and the girls must only wear Jeans, full length or 3/4ths. Why?
Some may Say - to attract people
Some may say - to show that the company follows a casual work culture - so that youngsters are not bound to think that their freedom in dressing is lost (tho there are company policies that later restrict such outfits that prove to look odd)
We can never attract good talent by dressing wierd. Or by showing that we belong to a partuclar group. Its all in the way one carries themselves.
So - here you sister could discuss and find the exact reasons
If the removal of Mangal Sutra would cause a problem in relationship, let her consider covering it, else - she needs to leave.
Reason is: If in case she accept removing it and even if her husband is okay with that - one day she will hear "Afterall she is the girl who removed the mangal sutra for her job, wont she do something more worse?"
There are some people on this earth who are born to only kill others' peace...dont let your sis give such peopel a chance to mock at her - for no reason.
Let us know abt the outcome
From India, Madras
why dont you find out the reason behind it?
Is it:
a) Because they follow a certain dress code
b) or because they simply dont want people to think that the employee is married.
For IT/ITES recruitments, a few companies provide uniforms: Red t-shirt with the company name and the girls must only wear Jeans, full length or 3/4ths. Why?
Some may Say - to attract people
Some may say - to show that the company follows a casual work culture - so that youngsters are not bound to think that their freedom in dressing is lost (tho there are company policies that later restrict such outfits that prove to look odd)
We can never attract good talent by dressing wierd. Or by showing that we belong to a partuclar group. Its all in the way one carries themselves.
So - here you sister could discuss and find the exact reasons
If the removal of Mangal Sutra would cause a problem in relationship, let her consider covering it, else - she needs to leave.
Reason is: If in case she accept removing it and even if her husband is okay with that - one day she will hear "Afterall she is the girl who removed the mangal sutra for her job, wont she do something more worse?"
There are some people on this earth who are born to only kill others' peace...dont let your sis give such peopel a chance to mock at her - for no reason.
Let us know abt the outcome
From India, Madras
Dear Partha,
The Mangal Sutra is not a symbol of slavery.
Look at this:
a) The Husband also wears a ring - representing that he is married ?
b) Women also wear a ring - symbolizing that she is married
c) Women like Jewellery more than men (Of course you can ask a man to wear a 10 sov gold chain!)
d) The Mangal Sutra represents not a Slavery relationship - but that the husband is responsible for teh well being of his wife, under no situation will he let her face the struggles in life alone, he shall love no other woman but her, He will make sure that all the worries in her life aretaken away, he will work hard and earn for a living while the wife promises to bear his kids and take care of their proper upcoming. they commit to a shared set of responsibilities
--- If the mangal sutra or any other (every religion has a similar chain representing that the women is married) is not there - Women will not be respected.
Also - when a guy sees that a women is married, he should look at her with respect. A mother / a wife is considered to be representative of God.
Imagine, if a lady walks in tomorrow with a kid in her hand, but no thali or kum kum (or something symbolizing that she is married) people look at her differently.
It is a very important sign of relationship. Never compare these things with other culture (other country)...we cant.
By the way - on a ligher side - who is the slave? the man or the wife? ;-)
From India, Madras
The Mangal Sutra is not a symbol of slavery.
Look at this:
a) The Husband also wears a ring - representing that he is married ?
b) Women also wear a ring - symbolizing that she is married
c) Women like Jewellery more than men (Of course you can ask a man to wear a 10 sov gold chain!)
d) The Mangal Sutra represents not a Slavery relationship - but that the husband is responsible for teh well being of his wife, under no situation will he let her face the struggles in life alone, he shall love no other woman but her, He will make sure that all the worries in her life aretaken away, he will work hard and earn for a living while the wife promises to bear his kids and take care of their proper upcoming. they commit to a shared set of responsibilities
--- If the mangal sutra or any other (every religion has a similar chain representing that the women is married) is not there - Women will not be respected.
Also - when a guy sees that a women is married, he should look at her with respect. A mother / a wife is considered to be representative of God.
Imagine, if a lady walks in tomorrow with a kid in her hand, but no thali or kum kum (or something symbolizing that she is married) people look at her differently.
It is a very important sign of relationship. Never compare these things with other culture (other country)...we cant.
By the way - on a ligher side - who is the slave? the man or the wife? ;-)
From India, Madras
Hi Harshal,
Since your sister is working for radio Jockey its pretty understandble on the kind of people your sister might be interacting with . Her job may demand her to not to diclose her marital status. I guess your sister would be interacting with high pots and celebs> Al right lets put it in this way say if you wanna open your heart to someone or wanna get some kind of work done (which is part of your job) you might prefer someone who is spinster.
I guess all radio jockey is doing is to project thier employees as youth and energetic. the moment a female is married we consider them among those Aunty types.....which was the Indian mentality is.
Best way is to go an speak to the HR and clear it out. See the Employye Policy Manual if your company have in...Dive into it....
At the end of the day its your sister call.
Bye,
JJ
From India, Mumbai
Since your sister is working for radio Jockey its pretty understandble on the kind of people your sister might be interacting with . Her job may demand her to not to diclose her marital status. I guess your sister would be interacting with high pots and celebs> Al right lets put it in this way say if you wanna open your heart to someone or wanna get some kind of work done (which is part of your job) you might prefer someone who is spinster.
I guess all radio jockey is doing is to project thier employees as youth and energetic. the moment a female is married we consider them among those Aunty types.....which was the Indian mentality is.
Best way is to go an speak to the HR and clear it out. See the Employye Policy Manual if your company have in...Dive into it....
At the end of the day its your sister call.
Bye,
JJ
From India, Mumbai
Hello there,
After so many replies, there is absolutely nothing left to comment. So I will try to draw some similarities to other cases where religious /sentimental/traditional /customary practices have come in the way of the profession and the reactions to it and the legal sanctity given to these practices - the world over.
The Sikhs wear a turban, grow a beard, have a knife on their body always as a traditional, customary practice which has come over the years identified with their religious beliefs/needs. The same practices have been contested over the world over by their employers. In many cases the learned judges have held that the employer cannot object to this and has to tolerate the religious beliefs/ practices / needs of a person.Sikhs abroad have been allowed to wear their turban in police/army jobs abroad in western countries. We can remember the many Americans who objected to joining the army in the US during the Vietnam war -due to religious beliefs and many other excuses. The Most well publicised case is of Cassius Clay the then World heavy weight champion who had then recently been converted to Islam and become Mohammed Ali. He objected to warfare and his sentiments were upheld and he was not forced to enlist.
When this is the practice the world over. In India the issue of a Mangala Sutra is seemingly minor as it is worn more out of a pious duty to religious practices etc. Many men and women spend a lot on their beautification and wear western / designer dresses, jewellery, watches etc. This could be treated as a piece of jewellery by the employer while the employee also treats this as a common piece of jewellery and wears it in a simple way.
I feel both the employee and the employer need to be counselled on the usage and treatment of the matter in a lighter way.
I would not suppose that while she has to interview and visit such strange locations she will surely not expose her jewellery for her own safety. Neither wearing such jewellery comes in the way of her performance of duty.
IF she were to wear a closed collar suit it rids of the problem once and for all, while maintaining the sanctity of wearing the mangala sutra and not really catching the eye of the persons who find it objectionable - who would like their beautiful employees to look like spinsters than married ! ! !
regards,
From India, Bangalore
After so many replies, there is absolutely nothing left to comment. So I will try to draw some similarities to other cases where religious /sentimental/traditional /customary practices have come in the way of the profession and the reactions to it and the legal sanctity given to these practices - the world over.
The Sikhs wear a turban, grow a beard, have a knife on their body always as a traditional, customary practice which has come over the years identified with their religious beliefs/needs. The same practices have been contested over the world over by their employers. In many cases the learned judges have held that the employer cannot object to this and has to tolerate the religious beliefs/ practices / needs of a person.Sikhs abroad have been allowed to wear their turban in police/army jobs abroad in western countries. We can remember the many Americans who objected to joining the army in the US during the Vietnam war -due to religious beliefs and many other excuses. The Most well publicised case is of Cassius Clay the then World heavy weight champion who had then recently been converted to Islam and become Mohammed Ali. He objected to warfare and his sentiments were upheld and he was not forced to enlist.
When this is the practice the world over. In India the issue of a Mangala Sutra is seemingly minor as it is worn more out of a pious duty to religious practices etc. Many men and women spend a lot on their beautification and wear western / designer dresses, jewellery, watches etc. This could be treated as a piece of jewellery by the employer while the employee also treats this as a common piece of jewellery and wears it in a simple way.
I feel both the employee and the employer need to be counselled on the usage and treatment of the matter in a lighter way.
I would not suppose that while she has to interview and visit such strange locations she will surely not expose her jewellery for her own safety. Neither wearing such jewellery comes in the way of her performance of duty.
IF she were to wear a closed collar suit it rids of the problem once and for all, while maintaining the sanctity of wearing the mangala sutra and not really catching the eye of the persons who find it objectionable - who would like their beautiful employees to look like spinsters than married ! ! !
regards,
From India, Bangalore
To Maintain the both let her hide the mangal sutra inside her blowse with pin and in no way it should come out. By this way she can satisfy her job as well her marriage life and let her convince her hubby about hiding the mangal sutra in blowse.
For a single person the policy change is not possible by the organisation.
With warm regards
S. Bhaskar
9908732667
From India, Kumbakonam
For a single person the policy change is not possible by the organisation.
With warm regards
S. Bhaskar
9908732667
From India, Kumbakonam
Hi Harshall,
Wearing mangal sutra while attending roadshows is not a bad issue in our culture. Even industry doesn't demand such issues. As a whole she need to wear mangal sutra for herself & for organisation her dressing must be fashionaable.
Take a fashion Designer help on how to include mangalsutra in fashionable dressing. to continue the job.
Bu believe this Tradions need to be followed & respected even radio industry follows all traditional festivals.
Cheers.
M. srinivas
From India, Vijayawada
Wearing mangal sutra while attending roadshows is not a bad issue in our culture. Even industry doesn't demand such issues. As a whole she need to wear mangal sutra for herself & for organisation her dressing must be fashionaable.
Take a fashion Designer help on how to include mangalsutra in fashionable dressing. to continue the job.
Bu believe this Tradions need to be followed & respected even radio industry follows all traditional festivals.
Cheers.
M. srinivas
From India, Vijayawada
Mangalsutra is mandatory by religion and culture in some section of Society in India but it is not so in other parts (in other parts of India may be some other things are mandatory) accordingly people are sensitive and sometimes superstitious by the strong belief that is carried forward through the culture.
I believe one has to be clear in mind about the priorities in life and live the life accordingly. If something is non-negotiable one shouldnot compromise on it.
When something is in our culture and religion even Government (the highest authority in the country ) do not dare to enforce anythiing to its contrary (for e.g. Sardars using pagdi are not forced to wear helmet or cap in militry / police / in general when it is otherwise mandatory to others by law /order.). Therefore, no company / office, can be above the Government, to enforce something which is contrary to the cultural / religious sentiment of the citizen.
Why to change the job ?
Why to compromise by doing something to hide the practice of our culture and religion?
If the lady is really serious and sentimental to Mangalsutra she has every right to wear it with pride.
If she is not that serious and sentimental and takes a practical, concious decision to do away with it then the whole issue ceases there and then...
Regards,
Biswabhushan Behera
From India, Delhi
I believe one has to be clear in mind about the priorities in life and live the life accordingly. If something is non-negotiable one shouldnot compromise on it.
When something is in our culture and religion even Government (the highest authority in the country ) do not dare to enforce anythiing to its contrary (for e.g. Sardars using pagdi are not forced to wear helmet or cap in militry / police / in general when it is otherwise mandatory to others by law /order.). Therefore, no company / office, can be above the Government, to enforce something which is contrary to the cultural / religious sentiment of the citizen.
Why to change the job ?
Why to compromise by doing something to hide the practice of our culture and religion?
If the lady is really serious and sentimental to Mangalsutra she has every right to wear it with pride.
If she is not that serious and sentimental and takes a practical, concious decision to do away with it then the whole issue ceases there and then...
Regards,
Biswabhushan Behera
From India, Delhi
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