Dear Seniors,
First Aid Box at Gate : - First aid essentials materials , It's Maint. , Record Keeping is the responsibility of HR ?????
My safety officer insisting that it's HR's responsibility.
So pls guide us.
Regards,
Abhay
From India, Mumbai
49First Aid Box at Gate : - First aid essentials materials , It's Maint. , Record Keeping is the responsibility of HR ?????
My safety officer insisting that it's HR's responsibility.
So pls guide us.
Regards,
Abhay
From India, Mumbai
Dear Abhay,
In my opinion HR department is to make the arrangement & through whom it is to be seen by them. It is upto you that you may assign this work to the secuity personnel. Any of the securityman who is trained in first aid may be asked to perform the work of in-charge of this box. In my view when the law enforcing agency will visit your factory then your team will satisfy him regading this compliance.
Regards,
R N KHOLA
From India, Delhi
In my opinion HR department is to make the arrangement & through whom it is to be seen by them. It is upto you that you may assign this work to the secuity personnel. Any of the securityman who is trained in first aid may be asked to perform the work of in-charge of this box. In my view when the law enforcing agency will visit your factory then your team will satisfy him regading this compliance.
Regards,
R N KHOLA
From India, Delhi
Dear Friends,
Safety, health, environment and welfare are not topics for protracted deliberations but to be managed with will.
For statutory and/or administrative reasons we have different departments and designations. Ultimately effective management of these functions is the absolute responsibility of the occupier.
With the spirit of splitting hair you need not check on statutes in assigning responsibility with regard to safety or welfare of employees. Though provision of first aid boxes comes under welfare per statutes (F.Act 1948) safety officer has to ensure that all emergency measures including FA facilities are in place. SO will have to accept this responsibility and manage the FA Boxes, inspect it frequently and arrange for replenishing exhausted items with the help of those who are entrusted with each box in various departments. If not as statutory responsibility he has to consider it as his moral responsibility.
Most statutory provisions are not to current requirement. If a SO will act strictly on the basis of statutes he is unfit for the position. He has to look beyond and enlarge his vision.
Scope of safety is unlimited.
If the SO is not willingly accepting the responsibility to manage FA Boxes the occupier can so decide and demand the SO to manage it. SO has to accept the occupier’s directions since occupier is the ultimate authority with regard to statutory provisions.
In fact if he is a real safety minded safety officer he will volunteer.
I am sorry to say that a safety designate resisting such responsibilities is unfit for the post.
Again HR has no role in maintaining FA Boxes as such.
This issue comes up only in India. Just think of it too !
Regards,
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
Safety, health, environment and welfare are not topics for protracted deliberations but to be managed with will.
For statutory and/or administrative reasons we have different departments and designations. Ultimately effective management of these functions is the absolute responsibility of the occupier.
With the spirit of splitting hair you need not check on statutes in assigning responsibility with regard to safety or welfare of employees. Though provision of first aid boxes comes under welfare per statutes (F.Act 1948) safety officer has to ensure that all emergency measures including FA facilities are in place. SO will have to accept this responsibility and manage the FA Boxes, inspect it frequently and arrange for replenishing exhausted items with the help of those who are entrusted with each box in various departments. If not as statutory responsibility he has to consider it as his moral responsibility.
Most statutory provisions are not to current requirement. If a SO will act strictly on the basis of statutes he is unfit for the position. He has to look beyond and enlarge his vision.
Scope of safety is unlimited.
If the SO is not willingly accepting the responsibility to manage FA Boxes the occupier can so decide and demand the SO to manage it. SO has to accept the occupier’s directions since occupier is the ultimate authority with regard to statutory provisions.
In fact if he is a real safety minded safety officer he will volunteer.
I am sorry to say that a safety designate resisting such responsibilities is unfit for the post.
Again HR has no role in maintaining FA Boxes as such.
This issue comes up only in India. Just think of it too !
Regards,
Kesava Pillai
From India, Kollam
hi all
I am srilakshmi.
I am working as a Executive - HR in a chemical factory.
I am the first HR of this factory. That too I am fresher , no body is there to help me in this regard
Plz suggest me what type of functions HR needs to do in a factory.
What type of records to be maintained....
and also suggest me how to post a new query furthur
From India, Hyderabad
I am srilakshmi.
I am working as a Executive - HR in a chemical factory.
I am the first HR of this factory. That too I am fresher , no body is there to help me in this regard
Plz suggest me what type of functions HR needs to do in a factory.
What type of records to be maintained....
and also suggest me how to post a new query furthur
From India, Hyderabad
Dear Abhay,
There is no harm to keep any records related to First Aid.... but it's not the HR's job.. it's admin who looks after the same.
But if in your organisation HR & Admin dept both are treated equal than it become HR's responsibility too....
Regards,
Namrata
From India, Mumbai
There is no harm to keep any records related to First Aid.... but it's not the HR's job.. it's admin who looks after the same.
But if in your organisation HR & Admin dept both are treated equal than it become HR's responsibility too....
Regards,
Namrata
From India, Mumbai
Plz suggest me what type of functions HR needs to do in a factory.
What type of records to be maintained....
and also suggest me how to post a new query furthur
LABOUR LAW,SATAUARY ACT, PF,ESI,SALARY BREAKUP ALL RELATED
MANJU
From India, Delhi
What type of records to be maintained....
and also suggest me how to post a new query furthur
LABOUR LAW,SATAUARY ACT, PF,ESI,SALARY BREAKUP ALL RELATED
MANJU
From India, Delhi
@ Kesava Pillai
Thank You very much sir.
When same thing I told my My S.O. he agreed on that but he wants that involvement of other is so much important . He also asked us to do counterchecking if he is goint to maintain all that or He will countercheck our dept. if we are going to maintain that.
As per my S.O. Examiner & Examinee wiill not be same if we want to maintain all time updated status PERTICULARLY IN SAFETY.
Sir. My safety officer is very hardworking and very good follow up taker.
Regards,
Abhay
From India, Mumbai
Thank You very much sir.
When same thing I told my My S.O. he agreed on that but he wants that involvement of other is so much important . He also asked us to do counterchecking if he is goint to maintain all that or He will countercheck our dept. if we are going to maintain that.
As per my S.O. Examiner & Examinee wiill not be same if we want to maintain all time updated status PERTICULARLY IN SAFETY.
Sir. My safety officer is very hardworking and very good follow up taker.
Regards,
Abhay
From India, Mumbai
Hi!
i m quite satisfied wth Namratha's words, its really need to know who holds the taking responsibilty of first aid. Then only its come into fulfillment of doing such a related task which is very essential for every organisation.
keep dropping ur various ideas.
regards,
padmini
From India, Hyderabad
i m quite satisfied wth Namratha's words, its really need to know who holds the taking responsibilty of first aid. Then only its come into fulfillment of doing such a related task which is very essential for every organisation.
keep dropping ur various ideas.
regards,
padmini
From India, Hyderabad
THe practise seems to differe from country to country. Some regulations specify the duties of the SO but some countries seem to leave it to the company to decide by management the arrangements for such.
For big companies they have safety department independly so the duties are clearly to that department.
For most companies, they may employ a safey officer under HR so it is HR Department's responsiblity. It is seldom that the SO stands alone.
First Aid is a welfare provision needed under most country's regulations so it is a HR Responsibility to provide and manage. It may be delegated to site departments to manage these at site but the final responsiblity should remain under HR.
For big companies they have safety department independly so the duties are clearly to that department.
For most companies, they may employ a safey officer under HR so it is HR Department's responsiblity. It is seldom that the SO stands alone.
First Aid is a welfare provision needed under most country's regulations so it is a HR Responsibility to provide and manage. It may be delegated to site departments to manage these at site but the final responsiblity should remain under HR.
Dear All
Good discussion already taken place on the topic... However I feel like sharing the system we are having in our plant for managing first aid facilities.
We are having health centre, a medical officer and two staff nurses... As a central agencies Safety Department one time intended the First Aid Boxes and distributed to all departments... One of the staff nurse will check all the first aid boxes and refill required medicines ones in a month. If any department need medicines before this they are contacting the medical officer and get refill the required medicines.
With regards,
Dipil Kumar V
From India
Good discussion already taken place on the topic... However I feel like sharing the system we are having in our plant for managing first aid facilities.
We are having health centre, a medical officer and two staff nurses... As a central agencies Safety Department one time intended the First Aid Boxes and distributed to all departments... One of the staff nurse will check all the first aid boxes and refill required medicines ones in a month. If any department need medicines before this they are contacting the medical officer and get refill the required medicines.
With regards,
Dipil Kumar V
From India
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